Re: YEC and ID may be fellow brethren was -Re: [asa] Secularist

The EU has lots of faults but not as bad as the US govt with their idea of policing the world and making things worse as in Iraq , not to mention the White House's alteration of scientific documents on global warming etc.

Anyway this list could do without extreme political nonsense

Michael
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: David Opderbeck
  To: Michael Roberts
  Cc: James Mahaffy ; asa@calvin.edu
  Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:36 AM
  Subject: Re: YEC and ID may be fellow brethren was -Re: [asa] Secularist

  Michael -- not to comment one way or the other about Freerepublic or the extreme libertarian view generally, but as a Brit are you really that sanguine about the EU? Do you really want a handful of unelected bureaucrats in Brussels to decide what can or can't be taught to schoolkids throughout the U.K.?

  On 6/26/07, Michael Roberts <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> James
>
> Do you honestly believe what you read on Freerepublic. Whenever it deals
> with Europe it is simply inaccurate and bigoted. So I do not know the truth
> of that jailed Lutheran pastor, but doubt whether the report from
> Freerepublic or Demski's rant are true. Fortunately I know that it is not
> typical of Americans as a whole who tend to be far more sensible and
> balanced, like most who post here including Pim.
>
> It is very difficult to feel a bond with other Christians who rubbish fellow
> Christians as do O'Leary and Dembski on uncommon descent, or when Nelson
> rubbished my late Christian friend Arthur Peacocke, or when AIG types
> rubbish all sorts including Davis Young etc etc.
>
> Can you explain to me why so many Creationists whether YE or ID seem to
> consider it is their divine calling to speak so unlovingly about their
> Christian brothers and sisters, and at times doubt their faith in Christ
>
> Michael
>
> From: "James Mahaffy" <Mahaffy@dordt.edu>
> To: <asa@calvin.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 5:21 PM
> Subject: YEC and ID may be fellow brethren was -Re: [asa] Secularist
>
>
> > Pim,
> >
> > Really it is responses like this that make me wonder how deep your faith
> > commitment is and
> > if you really can feel a bond in Christ to fellow Christians who take
> > stands you disagree with.
> >
> > For pity's sake the article Janice cites starts talking about a Lutheran
> > pastor jailed because he compared abortion with
> > the holocaust. While comparing it to the holocaust is inflamentory, many
> > Christians myself included would see
> > abortion as taking the life of unborn people and something abhorrent in
> > the sight of God.
> >
> > And I again resent your making general labels that do not fit all
> > Creationists or ID. I am a Creationists (not a young earth variety but so
> > what) and know and appreciate some ID people and don't need to ALWAYS hear
> > you pick on them. As you well know they are not all of the same stripe.
> > You are not enabling communication with brethren some of whom might be
> > helped by ASA but I would hesitate to have them post hear because of the
> > way some slam them.
> > --
> >
> > James Mahaffy ( mahaffy@dordt.edu) Phone: 712 722-6279
> > 498 4th Ave NE
> > Biology Department FAX : 712 722-1198
> > Dordt College, Sioux Center IA 51250-1697
> >
> >>>> On 6/25/2007 at 11:12 PM, in message
> > <20070626041414.9979771109C@gray.dordt.edu >, PvM < pvm.pandas@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> A bit misleading. Europe silences creationists in education. I am sure
> >> that the nuance may have been lost on our dear friend and sister
> >> Janice :-)
> >>
> >> I find it encouraging that Europe takes a clear stance on creationism
> >> and public education. In addition, Europe seems to have correctly
> >> classified Intelligent Design as a form of creationism. So nothing
> >> really much about silencing creationists.
> >>
> >> On 6/25/07, Janice Matchett <janmatch@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Back in town for a short stint - so will take a few minutes to post a
> >>> few
> >>> items of interest to some, I'm sure. :)
> >>>
> >>> [1] Secularist Europe Silences ... Creationists
> >>
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