Re: [asa] Altruism and ID

So we have a word that can mean different things and you suggest that
it should be given its worst interpretation. Speaking of cherry
picking. Now that's an insult in itself but no worries, I fully
understand the context in which the 'argument' was made.

Doh!

On 6/17/07, Iain Strachan <igd.strachan@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pim,
>
> Oh and one last thing. It appears you didn't even read Wikipedia properly
> in cherry picking your quote:
>
> Duh is an American English slang exclamation that is used to express disdain
> for someone missing the obviousness of something. For example, if one read a
> headline saying "Scientific study proves pain really does hurt" or "New
> reports show death is bad for one's health", the response might be "Well,
> duh !"
>
> Bold underline bit is my emphasis. That's the first paragraph, not the one
> you cherry-picked. Expressing disdain for someone is a clear instance of ad
> hominem, and hence Wikipedia agrees with me.
>
> Iain
>
>
> On 6/17/07, PvM <pvm.pandas@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 6/17/07, Dave Wallace <wdwllace@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > Iain Strachan wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 6/16/07, *PvM* < pvm.pandas@gmail.com
> <mailto:pvm.pandas@gmail.com>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Duh hardly is an insult,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is very much an insult. The generally accepted source of the
> > > > expression (in my country at least) is that it imitates the sound made
> > > > by someone who is mentally defective. In other words: "That's obvious,
> > > > stupid!".
> > >
> > > Duh is an insult in Canada as well and I expect also in the North East
> > > of the USofA as they tend to be culturally/linguistically very similar
> > > to us.
> >
> > Again, I respectfully disagree, neither Duh nor calling ID
> > scientifically vacuous is an insult. Perhaps
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duh
> >
> > <quote>Many other expressions in American English are synonyms of
> > "duh." "Ya think?" and a sarcastically pronounced No way! are the most
> > common.</quote>
> >
> >
> > or Mirriam Webster can come to the rescue
> >
> > Pronunciation: 'd&, usually with prolonged &
> > Function: interjection
> > 1 -- used to express actual or feigned ignorance or stupidity
> > 2 -- used derisively to indicate that something just stated is all too
> > obvious or self-evident
> >
> >
> > or "(used to express annoyance at banality, obviousness, or stupidity.)"
> >
> > >
> > > Iain Strachan wrote:
> > > To be told what I already know, that their ideas are "scientifically
> > > vacuous" doesn't help. As Christians we should try and treat our
> > > brothers and sisters with respect, not repeat ad nauseam derogatory
> > > statements, however true they may be. Pim is preaching to the choir by
> > > repeating this mantra as if every time he says it, that it will achieve
> > > something. It will achieve absolutely nothing, because those of us who
> > > agree will not be affected, and those who aren't in the same choir will
> > > simply be antagonized and insulted.
> > > </quote>
> >
> > > Actually even for those of us who agree with Pim it probably has a
> > > negative impact as well. At times, I for one, simply stop reading a
> > > note from Pim when I see him getting into that mode. Yes I know that
> > > probably I will miss something worthwhile but the needle is hard to find
> > > in the straw.
> >
> > Yes, even when knowing there is a needle, it may be hard to find the
> > 'gem'. However, expressing the simple observation that ID is
> > scientifically vacuous is neither insulting nor derogatory. While some
> > may express a concern that this will affect how people receive this
> > news, I find the claim that it is insulting overly simplistic.
> >
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Received on Sun Jun 17 15:27:48 2007