Re: [asa] Dawkins, religion, and children

At 12:00 AM 4/30/2007, PvM wrote:

>>So what about you Pim? Does it really bother you that we are upset
>>about Dawkins complaints about aspects of our beliefs that he
>>doesnt like even though he doesnt know anything about it? Whose
>>side are you on? .." ~ Jack
>
>Not at all. What bothers me is people making claims about Dawkins
>which are ill informed, contrary to his beliefs. If Dawkins makes
>mistakes about aspects of beliefs, or anything then please expose
>him but make sure that you first understand the context of his
>arguments. If you believe that Dawkins is ill informed about certain
>beliefs then expose them as such. ~ Pim

@ Oh, it goes much deeper than "making mistakes" and being
"ill-informed" about "Christianity". Dawkins has a much bigger
problem that some have no difficulty recognizing:

"..In all times and in all places, human beings have looked for ways
to objectify, worship, and appease their self-created demons. This is
preferable to having them run around loose in one's own psyche.

Take again the example of the typical beast of Islamist depravity.

How would one even begin to tell him: "you have a persecutory entity
inside of you that your life revolves around. You have placed it
outside of yourself, in the 'infidels,' so as to make your life
bearable, for it conceals a truth that is too painful to endure.
Would you like to put down that meat cleaver and talk about it?"

To a large extent, this dynamic is at the heart of more mundane
politics as well. For those who do not experience [ G. W. B*sh ] as
a demon, it is impossible to understand those who do, any more than
we can really understand the motivations of the Aztec. [mentioned earlier]

The collective mind parasite has a grammar and logic all its own,
inaccessible to all but initiates into the Lie. And even they do not
really understand it. Rather, they just bow down before it and obey it.

You don't actually want to get that close to an intoxicating Lie of
that magnitude. It's not safe. Better to observe it from a respectful
distance. Otherwise, you will find yourself pulled down into a false
world of counter-lying rather than simple truth. You cannot create an
artificial "good demon," which is what secular l*ftists are trying to
do when they aren't creating bad ones. Those critical critics who
criticize my "negativity" probably think I am engaging in the
former--heatedly countering the lie -- when I am calmly engaged in
the latter -- simply affirming the truth as naturally as a bird
sings. This is the inner meaning of "resist not evil." Resist it in
the wrong way, and you come into its orbit.

For a demon operates through a combination of will and imagination.
You may think of perverse will as the male principle and perverse
imagination as the female principle. Together they beget the demon
child that then controls the parents, taking over both will and
imagination. Consider how so much art and academic nonsense is
nothing more than the elaboration of the perverse imagination --
ideological superstructures giving cover to lies of various
magnitude. Think of how much "activism" is simply the angry agitation
of the perverse will.

Truth is a living thing, a Being that cannot be reduced to the
idolatrous systems of men, especially corrupted men who do not honor
Truth to begin with.

Most modern and postmodern ideologies and philosophies are opiates
for elites too sophisticated for such nonsense as Truth. But like all
misused drugs, "Lies gravely affect our mind; they distort the
undeveloped organs of the Personality, upon which depends the effort
that must lead us to the second Birth.... Even more, lying makes the
man who aspires to evolution go backwards" (Mouravieff).

Why is that? Maybe because the Truth became falsehood so that
falsehood might become Truth. [snip]

More:

"Animals cannot lie. While they can have certain naturally selected
mechanisms of deception, they cannot live a lie. ... Talleyrand once
remarked that language was given to man so as to conceal his
thoughts. Interestingly, this problem is fully recognized in
scripture, as the very first conversations recorded in the Bible are
a tissue of lies. The serpent lies to the woman, the woman transmits
the lie to the man, and the man lies about it to God. The very
emergence of self-consciousness seems to be inseparable from
lying. Isn't that interesting?

A cursory glance at history ... establishes the fact that lying is
absolutely fundamental to human existence, even though the idea
wasn't systematized until the early 20th century, in the works of
Freud (the good Freud) and his followers. In particular, the
psychoanalyst W.R. Bion developed a sophisticated epistemology
showing how a vital lie is at the basis of most all forms of
psychopathology. He made the provocative observation that the lie
requires a thinker to think it, whereas the truth does not, for it
simply is. We discover truth, but it takes a thinker to concoct the
lie (and, I might add, a brilliant thinker such as Marx or Chomsky to
create the most grandiose lies). And once the lie is in place, it
causes the psyche to enter a sort of parallel universe, for it
constructs itself on the foundations of that primordial lie. ..." ~
Robert Godwin

Friday, April 27, 2007 The Ninth Commandment of Nihilism: You Shall
Eternally Live a Lie http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/search?q=statism
Robert W.Godwin, Ph.D is a clinical psychologist whose
interdisciplinary work has focused on the relationship between
contemporary psychoanalysis, chaos theory, and quantum physics.

~ Janice ..." "But there is honor among the thieves: it is called
'political correctness.' " ~ Bob Godwin

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