At 02:23 AM 4/11/2007, you wrote:
>Next person to jump the shark: Gingrich .." ~ Pim
@ You have GOT to be kidding! LOL Read my
exchange with another confused soul below. ~ Janice
To: stockpirate "Look at Newt, he agrees with
K*rry about Global Warming." ~ Stockpirate
Not so.
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posted on 04/11/2007 9:13:01 AM EDT by
<http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1815426//~matchettpi/>Matchett-PI
To: Matchett-PI He says K*rry is 60% correct!
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posted on 04/11/2007 9:50:34 AM EDT by
<http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1815426//~stockpirate/>stockpirate
To: stockpirate I know what he says. I
videotaped the whole "debate" on C-Span
yesterday. Newt is trying to head the "central
planners" off at the pass because they have spent
many years indoctrinating people and too many of
them now believe the Chicken-Little alarmist
lies. Luckily, we now have an opening to turn the
tables on the eco-wackos, and convince the people
to go for Newt's "pleasure" solution over K*rry's
"pain" solution - which is how Newt brilliantly phrased it yesterday.
I think that the fact that they picked CO-2 in
the atmosphere to use as their culprit behind
"anthropomorphic-induced warming", means that
they shot themselves in the foot. The FASTEST way
to reduce CO-2 in the atmosphere is to build more
nuclear power plants. And if we're to be able to
bring nuclear power plants on line as fast as
France, China and Russia do, (5 years) that means
we will have to roll back our draconian "taxes
and regulations" which were deliberately designed
to thwart the building of more plants.
June 26 2006 Other Inconvenient Truths -
<http://www.newt.org/backpage.asp?art=4327>Click
to listen to Newt's one and 1/2-minute spot
*
March 1 2007 The Branson Prize (25 million to the
scientist who can invent a ..) -
<http://www.newt.org/backpage.asp?art=4327>Click
to listen to Newt's one and 1/2-minute
spot<http://www.newt.org/backpage.asp?art=4327>
*
April 5 2007 K*rry, Gingrich announce climate
showdown- <http://www.newt.org/backpage.asp?art=4319>HERE
Excerpt: ".... Gingrich, the architect of the
“Contract with America” that led to the [R-----]
takeover of the House in 1994, recently teamed up
with conservationist Terry Maple to author A
Contract with the Earth. Like his Contract with
America, A Contract with the Earth, due out Nov.
1, 2007, is based on a 10-point “contract”
calling for a bipartisan approach to solving climate issues.
“America should focus its energy policy in four
areas,” Gingrich writes on his website. “Basic
research for a new energy system, incentives for
conservation, more renewable resources, and
environmentally sound development of fossil
fuels. “The lengthy process of environmental
planning must be made more efficient and cost effective,” he adds.
*
Re: the Debate on 4/10/07 mentioned below. No
doubt the video of the debate will be available
today or tomorrow: <http://www.newt.org/>HERE
John K*rry, Newt Gingrich Take On Environment, Each Other
<http://www.newt.org/backpage.asp?art=4327>Foxnews.com Greg Simmons
The global warming debate has been heating up in
W*shin*ton lately, but reached new heights
Tuesday when partisan heavies Sen. John K*rry and
former H*use Speaker Newt Gingrich went
head-to-head over the issue on Capit*l Hill.
What might have been a surprise to some people
watching the debate was that K*rry and Gingrich
were cordial, not at each other's throats, and
actually agreed and said so several times on
the key point at hand: that climate change is a
problem and something needs to be done.
In their opening statements, both men made
reference to the prize-fight billing, but
downplayed any expectations of animosity.
"I'm sure we're going to have an interesting
dialogue about this," Gingrich said with a grin during his opening remarks.
Part of what made the debate enticing was the
political backdrop: K*rry was the 2004 [D----]
presidential nominee and remains a [B---]
administration critic; and Gingrich led the
conservative revolution that swept C*ngress in
1994 and might be positioning himself as a
candidate for the presidency in 2008.
But how they said they would tackle the global
warming problem is where they differed.
Talking from a podium in the Russell Senate
Office Building, Gingrich argued that a program
including cash prizes, targeted tax cuts and
other economic incentives will lure business
entrepreneurs to develop technology to tackle the
climate problem. He said that type of program
would be faster than a bureaucratic government
program because it will avoid the rush of special
interests to avoid regulation and costly litigation.
K*rry said he favors government regulation first
because markets, while they work, cannot act fast
enough to tackle the looming problem he pointed
to frequently: reaching the "tipping point" level
of greenhouse gases of 450 parts per million.
Scientists believe that level of greenhouse gases
would seriously hurt worldwide economies. K*rry
also advocated a so-called cap-and-trade program
that would set economy-wide carbon emission limits.
Gingrich began first with a concession to his
opponent. Holding the new book by K*rry and his
wife, Teresa Heinz K*rry, Gingrich said, "This is
a very good book. As a clearly right-wing reader,
I would commend the book" as one that shows
examples of local leadership on environmental issues.
"I would agree with about 60 percent of this book," he added.
K*rry of Massachusetts also took a friendly
stance in his opening remarks before turning to
the debate, which was sponsored by the New York
University Robert Wagner School of Public
Service, the Brookings Institution and the Cato Institute.
"While I don't have his book in hand, and I don't
know what it's about, I've always enjoyed every
dialogue he and I have ever had," K*rry said,
calling the global-warming face-off the
"environmental version of the Lincoln-Douglas debates."
Gingrich said he will be pushing for a way to
deal with climate change that is not heavy on
regulation a point on which he criticized K*rry's plan.
"I want to suggest that we need a new science-
and technology-based, entrepreneurial,
market-oriented and locally led environmentalism," Gingrich said.
Gingrich raised some discrepancies among the
science that has led to the current data on
climate change, but when asked pointedly about
science doubters, like Sen. James Inhofe,
R-Okla., Gingrich strongly held the case that climate change is a problem.
"What would you say to Sen. Inhofe and others in
the Senate who are resisting even science? What's
your message to them here today?" K*rry asked.
"My message, I think is that the evidence is
sufficient that we should move towards the most
effective possible steps to reduce carbon loading in the atmosphere "
"And do it urgently, now?" K*rry interrupted.
"Urgently, yes," Gingrich said. [[[Yes- we have
urgently needed to go to nuclear energy, etc.,
for many years but the environmentalist-whacko
base of the [D-----] party have stopped us cold.
But Nuclear power is the only option if we head
towards a low carbon, hydrogen economy - a
hydrogen economy requires vast amounts of energy
which only nuclear can provide. "75% of France's
energy supplies are derived from nuclear
generation. ..concerns voiced throughout the
industry is the dearth of skilled technicians and
engineers, the result of an industry perceived
for years as having no future. Nuclear Regulatory
Commission officials regularly cite access to
qualified staff as a prerequisite to approving a
ramp-up of the industry. "There are still quite a
few challenges facing the industry, starting with
the fact that they haven't built one of these
plants in a long time. .." 10/16/06
<http://www.nustartenergy.com/DisplayArticle.aspx?ID=20061016-1>HERE ]]]
But Gingrich also said that up to now,
conservatives have been slow to loathe with
environmental policy because, he said, "For most
of the last 30 years, the environment has a been
a powerful emotional tool for bigger government
and higher taxes. And therefore if you're a
conservative, if you hear these arguments, you know what's coming next."
"So even though it might be the right thing to
do, you might end up fighting it because you
don't want the bigger government and the higher taxes."
Gingrich said there must be a "green
conservatism." [Newt knows that there already is
a
<http://web.archive.org/web/20050306053745/http://www.nwi.org/ACE.html>Green
Conservatism] (bad link - corrected in post #45 - see below)
"There has to be a willingness to stand up and
say, alright, here's the right way to solve these
as seen by our values system," Gingrich said. [See above]
Gingrich said there needs to be more money
available in the form of incentives to find
better ways of bringing forward new technology.
"Regulation and litigation are the least effective" ways to get change.
K*rry said he's not against a market-based
approach, but he believes that the nation's
corporations and international governments will
not take more environmentally friendly measures
without U.S. government response.
"Ladies and gentleman, this is a moral
obligation. It's one in which we can [make]
money. That's what those business leaders
realize. We need to show the leadership. It's the
only way to get China and India to participate,
and that's why you have to take this with a
global pricing of carbon certainly economy wide
in the United States to start with and we need to offer the leadership."
K*rry argued that Gingrich's position doesn't allow for fast enough action.
"He takes the consensus of the U.N. report, but
then essentially says, what we need to do is
encourage the marketplace to go out and respond,
and to unleash science, to unleash technology," K*rry said.
He contended that Gingrich's solution won't deal
with "the crises that we have to respond to
immediately, quickly," and added that Gingrich's
stance is "like saying, 'Barry Bonds, go investigate steroids.' "
42 posted on 04/11/2007 11:27:29 AM EDT by
Matchett-PI http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1815426/posts?page=42#42
To: stockpirate Sorry - my link to “Green
Conservatism” is broken in my previous post. Go
here, instead:
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45 posted on 04/11/2007 11:34:35 AM EDT by
Matchett-PI http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1815426/posts?page=45#45
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