Re: [asa] Misquoting Jesus by Bart D. Ehrman

On this note, it's worth mentioning the recent book "Fabricating
Jesus" by Craig A. Evans (a rather more weighty book than InterVarsity
Press generally produces, which is a compliment in my view). Evans is
a well regarded N.T. scholar who sat on the Gospel of Judas
translation panel. While he does not regard Bart Ehrman as a piece
with Michael Baigent and Dan Brown, the rhetorical style of the book
links them as partners in Gospel distortion.

Chris

On 4/9/07, David Opderbeck <dopderbeck@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is important, I think, to put anything by Bart Ehrman into the context.
> I'm concerned that Ehrman's thesis about the "lost Christianities" is in
> some ways an effort to discredit historic orthodoxy. This seems to be of a
> piece with the "DaVinci Code" view of the early church, all of which is in
> turn beholden to certain presuppositions about the development of the early
> church as a power game ultimately won by a male-dominated heirarchy. While
> all of this sounds convincing at times, and there is sometimes interesting
> and valid scholarship about textual variants and the gnostic sects involved,
> there seems to be lots of new age piffle mixed into the metanarrative.
>
> There are many serious New Testament scholars and church historians whose
> work gives a solid account of the development and consolidation of orthodoxy
> from a more traditional perspective: see, e.g., NT Wright's "The New
> Testament and the People of God," and Jaroslav Pelikan's "The Christian
> Tradition" series. There are also some excellent Biblical Studies blogs
> that deal with questions like these from a solidly scholarly (rather than
> superficial and popular) perspective: see, e.g., "Chrisendom"
> (http://www.christilling.de/blog/ctblog.html); Ben
> Witherington (http://benwitherington.blogspot.com/ );
> Evangelical Textual Criticism:
> (http://evangelicaltextualcriticism.blogspot.com/). All of
> these blogs link to other interesting Biblical Studies blogs from various
> perspectives -- there are lots of them -- and many resources collected on
> the New Testament Gateway: http://www.ntgateway.com/. There is a good,
> balanced review from an evangelical perspective of Ehrman's book on textual
> criticism on the Evangelical Textual Criticism blog here:
> http://evangelicaltextualcriticism.blogspot.com/2005_12_01_evangelicaltextualcriticism_archive.html
>
>
> On 4/8/07, Janice Matchett <janmatch@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > At 01:37 AM 4/8/2007, John Hewlett wrote:
> >
> >
> > Have any of your read this book? Can I get some thoughts on its content.
> The book seems to have caused a flury of controversy. Another book called
> "Misquotes in Misquoting Jesus" was spawned off of it. However the rebuttle
> book didn't look really adequate to me. Anyone have any rebuttles to this
> book? Any comments on what it means about traditional christianity?
> Apparently challenges several key claims of christianity... I haven't read
> it my self, and don't think I will have time - so I was looking for opinions
> from this well educated group of scholarly christians.
> > @ You may have missed this thread that was running last March (2006) on
> Ehrman entitled "What Bible?"
> http://www.calvin.edu/archive/asa/200603/0420.html
> >
> > ~ Janice .... Here's more if you're interested:
> >
> > Wednesday, April 26, 2006
> > Another review of Bart Ehrman's Misquoting Jesus
> >
> http://christiancadre.blogspot.com/2006/04/another-review-of-bart-ehrmans.html
> >
> > Bible.org has published a review of Bart D. Ehrman's Misquoting Jesus: The
> Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why entitled "The Gospel according to
> Bart" by Daniel Wallace. The piece is authored by Daniel J. Wallace, Th.M.,
> Ph.D., who presently teaches at Dallas Theological Seminary. To say that
> this article is not particularly flattering to Bart Ehrman is an
> understatement. Early on in the article, Dr. Wallace notes:
> >
> > Why all the hoopla? Well, for one thing, Jesus sells. But not the Jesus of
> the Bible. The Jesus that sells is the one that is palatable to postmodern
> man. And with a book entitled Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed
> the Bible and Why, a ready audience was created via the hope that there
> would be fresh evidence that the biblical Jesus is a figment. Ironically,
> almost none of the variants that Ehrman discusses involve sayings of Jesus.
> The book simply doesn't deliver what the title promises. Ehrman preferred
> Lost in Transmission, but the publisher thought such a book might be
> perceived by the Barnes and Noble crowd as dealing with stock car racing!
> Even though Ehrman did not choose his resultant title, it has been a
> publishing coup. More importantly, this book sells because it appeals to the
> skeptic who wants reasons not to believe, who considers the Bible a book of
> myths. It's one thing to say that the stories in the Bible are legend; it's
> quite another to say that many of them were added centuries later. Although
> Ehrman does not quite say this, he leaves the impression that the original
> form of the NT was rather different from what the manuscripts now read.
> More http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=4000
> >
> > The review is very good and takes Dr. Ehrman to task on a number of his
> claims and presuppositions in a detailed way. I found it a very enjoyable
> and informative read.
> >
> > *
> >
> > Review of Bart D. Ehrman, Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed
> the Bible and Why (San Francisco: HarperSanFrancisco, 2005)
> > By: Daniel B. Wallace , Th.M., Ph.D.
> > Note: This is an abbreviated review. The full review is also posted on
> bible.org.
> >
> > http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=3452
> >
> > Bart Ehrman is one of North America's leading textual critics today. As a
> teacher and writer, he is logical, witty, provocative, and sometimes given
> to overstatement as well as arguments that are not sufficiently nuanced.
> >
> > His most recent book, Misquoting Jesus, for the most part is simply New
> Testament textual criticism 101. There are seven chapters with an
> introduction and conclusion. Most of the book (chs. 1­4) is simply a lay
> introduction to the field. According to Ehrman, this is the first book
> written on NT textual criticism (a discipline that has been around for
> nearly 300 years) for a lay audience. 1
> >
> > The book's very title is a bit too provocative and misleading though:
> Almost none of the variants that Ehrman discusses involve sayings by Jesus!
> The book simply doesn't deliver what the title promises.
> >
> > But it sells well: since its publication on November 1, 2005, it has been
> near the top of Amazon's list of titles. And since Ehrman appeared on two of
> NPR's programs (the Diane Rehm Show and "Fresh Air" with Terry Gross)­both
> within the space of one week­it has been in the top fifty sellers at Amazon.
> >
> > For this brief review, just a few comments are in order.
> >
> > There is nothing earth-shaking in the first four chapters of the book.
> Rather, it is in the introduction that we see Ehrman's motive, and the last
> three chapters reveal his agenda. In these places he is especially
> provocative and given to overstatement and non sequitur.
> >
> > In the introduction, Ehrman speaks of his evangelical background (Moody
> Bible Institute, Wheaton College), followed by his M.Div. and Ph.D. at
> Princeton Seminary. It was here that Ehrman began to reject some of his
> evangelical upbringing, especially as he wrestled with the details of the
> text of the New Testament.
> >
> > The heart of the book is chapters 5, 6, and 7. Here Ehrman especially
> discusses the results of the findings in his major work, Orthodox Corruption
> of Scripture (Oxford, 1993). His concluding chapter closes in on the point
> that he is driving at in these chapters: "It would be wrong… to say­as
> people sometimes do­that the changes in our text have no real bearing on
> what the texts mean or on the theological conclusions that one draws from
> them. We have seen, in fact, that just the opposite is the case." 2
> >
> > Some of the chief examples of theological differences among the variants
> that Ehrman discusses are (1) a passage in which Jesus is said to be angry
> (Mark 1:41), (2) a text in which "even the Son of God himself does not know
> when the end will come" (Matt 24:36), and (3) an explicit statement about
> the Trinity (1 John 5:7-8). 3
> >
> > Concerning the first text, a few ancient manuscripts speak of Jesus as
> being angry in Mark 1:41 while most others speak of him as having
> compassion. But in Mark 3:5 Jesus is said to be angry­wording that is
> indisputably in the original text of Mark. So it is hardly a revolutionary
> conclusion to see Jesus as angry elsewhere in this Gospel.
> >
> > Regarding Matt 24:36, although many witnesses record Jesus as speaking of
> his own prophetic ignorance ("But as for that day and hour no one knows
> it­neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son­except the Father alone"), many
> others lack the words "nor the Son." Whether "nor the Son" is authentic or
> not is disputed, but what is not disputed is the wording in the parallel in
> Mark 13:32­"But as for that day or hour no one knows it­neither the angels
> in heaven, nor the Son­except the Father." Thus, there can be no doubt that
> Jesus spoke of his own prophetic ignorance in the Olivet Discourse.
> Consequently, what doctrinal issues are really at stake here?4 One simply
> cannot maintain that the wording in Matt 24:36 changes one's basic
> theological convictions about Jesus since the same sentiment is found in
> Mark.
> >
> > In other words, the idea that the variants in the NT manuscripts alter the
> theology of the NT is overstated at best. 5 Unfortunately, as careful a
> scholar as Ehrman is, his treatment of major theological changes in the text
> of the NT tends to fall under one of two criticisms: Either his textual
> decisions are wrong, or his interpretation is wrong. These criticisms were
> made of his earlier work, Orthodox Corruption of Scripture, which Misquoting
> Jesus has drawn from extensively. Yet, the conclusions that he put forth
> there are still stated here without recognition of some of the severe
> criticisms of his work the first go-around. For a book geared toward a lay
> audience, one would think that he would want to have his discussion nuanced
> a bit more, especially with all the theological weight that he says is on
> the line. One almost gets the impression that he is encouraging the Chicken
> Littles in the Christian community to panic at data that they are simply not
> prepared to wrestle with. Time and time again in the book, highly charged
> statements are put forth that the untrained person simply cannot sift
> through. And that approach resembles more an alarmist mentality than what a
> mature, master teacher is able to offer. Regarding the evidence, suffice it
> to say that significant textual variants that alter core doctrines of the NT
> have not yet been produced.
> >
> > Finally, regarding 1 John 5:7-8, virtually no modern translation of the
> Bible includes the "Trinitarian formula," since scholars for centuries have
> recognized it as added later. Only a few very late manuscripts have the
> verses. One wonders why this passage is even discussed in Ehrman's book. The
> only reason seems to be to fuel doubts. The passage made its way into our
> Bibles through political pressure, appearing for the first time in 1522,
> even though scholars then and now knew that it is not authentic. The early
> church did not know of this text, yet the Council of Chalcedon in AD 451
> affirmed explicitly the Trinity! How could they do this without the benefit
> of a text that didn't get into the Greek NT for another millennium?
> Chalcedon's statement was not written in a vacuum: the early church put into
> a theological formulation what they saw in the NT.
> >
> > A distinction needs to be made here: just because a particular verse does
> not affirm a cherished doctrine does not mean that that doctrine cannot be
> found in the NT. In this case, anyone with an understanding of the healthy
> patristic debates over the Godhead knows that the early church arrived at
> their understanding from an examination of the data in the NT. The
> Trinitarian formula only summarized what they found; it did not inform their
> declarations.
> >
> > In sum, Ehrman's latest book does not disappoint on the provocative scale.
> But it comes up short on genuine substance about his primary contention.
> Scholars bear a sacred duty not to alarm lay readers on issues that they
> have little understanding of. Unfortunately, the average layperson will
> leave this book with far greater doubts about the wording and teachings of
> the NT than any textual critic would ever entertain. A good teacher doesn't
> hold back on telling his students what's what, but he also knows how to
> package the material so they don't let emotion get in the way of reason. A
> good teacher does not create Chicken Littles. 6
> > ________________________________
> 1 Misquoting, 15.
> >
> > 2 Ibid., 208.
> >
> > 3 Ibid. These passages are especially discussed in chapters 5 and 6 in his
> book.
> >
> > 4 See the discussion in the NET Bible's note on this verse.
> >
> > 5 When discussing Wettstein's views of the NT text, Ehrman argues that "As
> Wettstein continued his investigations, he found other passages typically
> used to affirm the doctrine of the divinity of Christ that in fact
> represented textual problems; when these problems are resolved on
> text-critical grounds, in most instances references to Jesus's divinity are
> taken away" (Misquoting, 113 [italics added]). He adds that "Wettstein began
> thinking seriously about his own theological convictions, and became attuned
> to the problem that the New Testament rarely, if ever, actually calls Jesus
> God" (ibid., 114 [italics added]). But these statements are misleading.
> Nowhere does Ehrman represent this conclusion as only Wettstein's; he seems
> to embrace such opinions himself. But the deity of Christ is actually more
> clearly seen in the Greek text behind modern translations than it is in the
> KJV (see, e.g., D. A. Carson, King James Version Debate [Grand Rapids:
> Baker, 1979], 64)!
> >
> > 6 Although Ehrman's Misquoting Jesus may well be the first lay
> introduction to New Testament textual criticism, in the spring of 2006 a
> second book that deals with these issues (and many others) will appear. See
> Reinventing Jesus: What The Da Vinci Code and Other Novel Speculations Don't
> Tell You (Grand Rapids: Kregel, 2006), co-authored by J. Ed Komoszewski, M.
> James Sawyer, and Daniel B. Wallace, for a more balanced treatment of the
> data.
> >
> >
>
>

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