Re: [asa] dawkins and unbelief (again)

*Janice said: *
*@ Campolo ididn't say that God is above or beyond reason alone, he
specifically said that "..God is beyond the rational categories of thought.
.." ~ Tony Campolo
**http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/RELEFTCO.TXT*<http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/RELEFTCO.TXT>
*

That is Dawkins position.*

No, it is not. Dawkins' position is that there is no God, it is in fact
stupid and perhaps even criminal to believe there is a God, and belief in
God is akin to a viral infection that should be wiped out.

Campolo's epistemology, as far as I understand what it is, is reasonably
consistent with the historic Christian and Jewish tradition about the
ineffable nature of God, or at least is consistent with certain strains of
that tradition, and is rooted deeply in American Pentacostalism. Perhaps he
leans a bit too much towards mysticism, the fides side of fides quaerens
intellectum, but if you've read his stuff, I don't think you can fairly say
he leaves out the intellectum entirely (though as I've said, I disagree with
his arguments about some things).

I have read some of Nash, and it hasn't been my cup of tea. Nash seems too
much like intellectum quaerens fides to me.

On 4/2/07, Janice Matchett <janmatch@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> At 04:14 PM 4/2/2007, Ted Davis wrote:
> There is no comparison between Dawkins, who believes that religious belief
> is "irrational" in the worst possible sense, and Campolo, who believes with
> many Christians and Jews that God is ultimately "above" or "beyond" reason
> * alone*. Robt Boyle, e.g., wrote an entire treatise on "Things above
> Reason," even though he believed that Christianity was capable of*rational
> *defense. ~ ted
>
>
> *@ *Campolo ididn't say that God is above or beyond reason alone, he
> specifically said that "..God is beyond the *rational *categories of
> thought. .." ~ Tony Campolo
> http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/RELEFTCO.TXT
>
> That is Dawkins position.
>
> *Faith & reason: Searching for a rational faith *by Ronald H Nash<http://www.amazon.com/Faith-reason-Searching-rational-faith/dp//exec/obidos/search-handle-url/002-1854267-0079231?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Ronald%20H%20Nash>
> http://www.amazon.com/Faith-reason-Searching-rational-faith/dp/0310294002
>
> *This book cites 73 books: *
>
> - Faith & Rationality: Reason & Belief in God<http://www.amazon.com/Faith-Rationality-Reason-Belief-God/dp/0268009651/ref=sid_dp_dp/002-1854267-0079231>by Alvin Plantinga on 10
> pages<http://www.amazon.com/Faith-reason-Searching-rational-faith/dp/book-citations/0310294002/ref=sid_dp_av/002-1854267-0079231?ie=UTF8&citeType=citing#citing>
> - Christian Faith and Historical Understanding<http://www.amazon.com/Christian-Faith-Historical-Understanding-Ronald/dp/0310451213/ref=sid_dp_dp/002-1854267-0079231>by Ronald H. Nash on 8
> pages<http://www.amazon.com/Faith-reason-Searching-rational-faith/dp/book-citations/0310294002/ref=sid_dp_av/002-1854267-0079231?ie=UTF8&citeType=citing#citing>
> - The Light of the Mind: St. Augustine's Theory of Knowledge<http://www.amazon.com/Light-Mind-Augustines-Theory-Knowledge/dp/0788099175/ref=sid_dp_dp/002-1854267-0079231>by Ronald H. Nash on 6
> pages<http://www.amazon.com/Faith-reason-Searching-rational-faith/dp/book-citations/0310294002/ref=sid_dp_av/002-1854267-0079231?ie=UTF8&citeType=citing#citing>
> - Word of God and the Mind of Man: The Crisis of Revealed Truth in
> Contemporary Theology<http://www.amazon.com/Word-God-Mind-Man-Contemporary/dp/0310451310/ref=sid_dp_dp/002-1854267-0079231>by Ronald H. Nash on 6
> pages<http://www.amazon.com/Faith-reason-Searching-rational-faith/dp/book-citations/0310294002/ref=sid_dp_av/002-1854267-0079231?ie=UTF8&citeType=citing#citing>
> - The Existence of God (Clarendon Paperbacks)<http://www.amazon.com/Existence-God-Clarendon-Paperbacks/dp/0198239637/ref=sid_dp_dp/002-1854267-0079231>by Richard Swinburne on 6
> pages<http://www.amazon.com/Faith-reason-Searching-rational-faith/dp/book-citations/0310294002/ref=sid_dp_av/002-1854267-0079231?ie=UTF8&citeType=citing#citing>
>
> [image: []] *See all 73 books this book cites*<http://www.amazon.com/Faith-reason-Searching-rational-faith/dp/book-citations/0310294002/ref=sid_dp_av/002-1854267-0079231?ie=UTF8&citeType=citing#citing>
>
> *~ Janice*
>
>

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