Re: [asa] dawkins and collins on "Fresh Air" interview program

At 12:19 PM 4/2/2007, PvM wrote:

>...understanding what Dawkins is really saying
>rather than what we fear he is saying."

@ All "indiscriminate thinkers" -
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Events/ev030507a.cfm
- learned everything they ever needed to know in
the 5th grade: "Hitting is bad - talking is
good" (Teaching little boys to get in touch with
their "feminine side", don'tchaknow)

As such, Dawkins can't help "feeling" the same
sorts of things Jim Wallis "feels":

"..So Wallis is now intervening between the two
"fundamentalists": One is a Shi'ite theocrat, a
former hostage taker who presides over an Islamic
police state and wants to annihilate the Jews.

The other is a Methodist former baseball club
owner and Yale graduate who was elected by the
world’s oldest democratic republic.

Both are equally dangerous?

Wallis is determined to make both of them behave,
though he’s seemingly more concerned about the
Methodist than he is about the apocalyptic
Shi'ite. .." http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23425

Or, what Bill Maher "believes": "Maher’s
mindless hatred of religion is paralleled by the
left’s mindless acceptance of the non-scientific
myth of [human-induced/CO-2
being-the-primary-driver-of] global warming. This
agenda-driven canard, whose purpose is to
undermine the belief in the truth of America’s
exceptionalism by turning America’s greatness –
her productivity, ingenuity, creativity and
prosperity – from evidence of her exceptional
rightness into proof positive of her evil, is so
devoid of scientific fact that the only way to
sustain the lie is by intimidating dissenting
voices, offering up hysterical scenarios,
engaging in pure demagoguery and even threatening
the lives of some of the nation’s leading
scientists. This “culture war” is not a battle
of ideas. It’s a war against truth being waged by
the left in the hopes of creating a utopia devoid
of war, poverty, crime and injustice.
.." http://www.evansayet.com/blogframeset.htm

Dr. John Isaacs, then director of the Institute
of Marine Resources at the University of
California, testifying in May of 1978 before the
Water Resources Subcommittee of the House Committee on Public Works...

    "Many of the great regulatory and enforcement
agencies of the United States are beginning to
adopt the pose of the medieval churches, with
regard not for what is true or right, but rather
for what defends their notions of the intent of
regulatory laws or their established policies and
for what supports their own delusions of power,
omniscience, and infallibility! The beleaguered
scientist with evidence of the fallibility of
these agencies, or the triviality of a program
that they regulate, or of the underlying faults
in their regulations can only recant his
findings (if he wants any more research support)
and content himself with the muttered aside:
Epput si muore (nevertheless it moves), as did
Galileo, following his confrontation with the
awesome forces of the hierarchy of his times."

Later in his testimony, Isaacs cites The Prince;
to wit ... "An hypothesis is always more
believable than the truth, for it has been
tailored to resemble our ideas of truth, whereas
the truth is just its own clumsy self. Ergo,
never discover the truth when an hypothesis will do."

~ Nicoli Machiavelli as quoted by Professor John
D. Isaacs, Chair, SCCWRP Scientific Consulting
Board, 1969-1980, in testimony before the U.S. Congress, 1978 (Isaacs 1978).

"...Dr. John D. Isaacs, a Renaissance man and
world-renowned oceanographer, director of the
Institute of Marine Resources at the University
of California, supervised Sea Grant during its
early, formative years. Isaacs died in 1980 at
the age of 67 in La Jolla. The Isaacs Scholarship
is awarded to budding young scientists in the
hopes of continuing his unique legacy of
innovation, scientific achievement and thoughtful regard for marine life."
<http://www-csgc.ucsd.edu/PUBLICATIONS/PDF_pubs/SGIB6-02.pdf>http://www-csgc.ucsd.edu/PUBLICATIONS/PDF_pubs/SGIB6-02.pdf.

Doomsday grifters have run their scam a long time
and they've never lacked for chumps to bamboozle.

Hark!! One fine day in the year 156 A.D., in
Phrygia (now part of Turkey), the prophet
Montanus suddenly reeled round and round and
keeled over into a trance in which he envisioned
Christ's second coming and the end of the world.
Thenceforward, Montanus roamed the dusty paths of
Asia Minor, proclaiming to all who would listen
that doomsday lay just round the bend.

Montanus [who died about 225 in Asia Minor]
gathered many disciples [even after his death],
among whom was one, Quintus Septimus Florens
Tertullianus, Tertullian went on to become a
champion of Monantism and a dynamic intellectual
force and teacher in the early Christian church.

At the core of Tertullian's teachings lay his
bitter admonition that life in the 2nd century
had become too extravagant, too wasteful, and
that population growth had run out of control.
Mankind was raping the Earth of its resources, he
warned grimly "...we men have actually become a
burden to the Earth ... the Earth can no longer
support us ..." And, to escape total planetary
destruction, mankind had to withdraw to the past
and practice severe asceticism, living in a
simpler more natural state. Tertullian of Carthage (c. 160 - 225)

Fast-forward 1800 years...

[[ Algore of Carthage, TN ( 03/ 31/ 1948 - ) ]]

[....]

"....politically active scientists often produce
computer models that generate results amazingly
concurrent with the scientists' political agenda. Dr. Carl Sagan did it.

More: Bernard Switwalski: http://www.opinionet.com/staff/gw4-switalski.shtml

~ Janice

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