Re: [asa] dawkins and collins on "Fresh Air" interview program

*because it turns the ID approach around and it
is used against ID's premise to show that the designer needs to either
have evolved or either it is too improbable. But if it is improbable
then the designer needs to have been designed.*

All of which is of course ridiculous because by definition God is a given, a
first cause, an unmoved mover, etc. Dawkins' coup de grace is just a
metaphysical assertion that complex information must always arise from
simpler information. He conceives of God as part of some sort of natural
system that can't begin with highly complex information, and then he happily
knocks down that straw man.

On 3/30/07, PvM <pvm.pandas@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dawkin's assertion that the question of God is a scientific question
> is particularly ironic because it turns the ID approach around and it
> is used against ID's premise to show that the designer needs to either
> have evolved or either it is too improbable. But if it is improbable
> then the designer needs to have been designed.
>
>
> On 3/29/07, Hofmann, Jim <jhofmann@exchange.fullerton.edu> wrote:
> > I just listened to both these interviews and I heartedly recommend them
> as well worth the listening time. I think Collins was particularly
> articulate on the issue of what theism or religion broadly construed adds to
> scientific descriptions and explanations of the history of life. Dawkins
> wonders why anything other than scientific explanation should be sought
> except for emotional consolatory reasons. Collins quite appropriately
> responds by citing issues such as life's meaning and purpose as ones that
> are not addressed by science.
> >
> > I had to chuckle at Dawkins' assertion that God's existence is a
> scientific question. I wish I had the time and ability to write an imaginary
> dramatic encouter between Aquinas and Dawkins on this issue.
> >
> > Jim Hofmann
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu on behalf of Rich Blinne
> > Sent: Thu 3/29/2007 9:25 AM
> > To: Ted Davis
> > Cc: asa@lists.calvin.edu
> > Subject: Re: [asa] dawkins and collins on "Fresh Air" interview program
> >
> >
> > Fresh Air has a podcast where you can download the Dawkins interview and
> the Collins interview later today.
> >
> >
> > http://www.npr.org/rss/podcast/podcast_detail.php?siteId=7060034
> >
> > On 3/29/07, Ted Davis <TDavis@messiah.edu> wrote:
> >
> > As I just learned, Richard Dawkins was interviewed yesterday on
> the NPR
> > program, "Fresh Air." This can be downloaded today (I don't
> know how long
> > it remains available) at
> > http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=13
> >
> > Today's program, broadcast at 3 pm by many NPR stations, will
> feature
> > Francis Collins.
> >
> > Ted
> >
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Received on Fri Mar 30 14:26:18 2007