RE: [asa] Question for all the theistic evolutionists

David Siemans wrote:

> I come at this from a different angle. My job is not to
> tackle the atheists, but to keep people from becoming
> atheists in the first place. As I see it, the warped
> interpretations given by YEC and OEC tend to produce atheists
> and agnostics when folks look at the data, especially
> paleontology and, now, genomics.

I waited til tonight to answer this one, it is my last response today. I
find it odd, that you fight YEC and OEC because they produce atheists, but
fail to fight atheism, even though I have seen atheists also producing
atheists. Hmmmmm. Really strange. Given what I have been reading of the
atheist literature (and I have been reading lots of it), few of them have
much respect for us.

Merv wrote:

>Overheard conversation between two students coming out of a debate between
a
>Christian & an atheist at a major university some years ago (in which the
>Christian apparently came off as the clear "winner"): "Well -- even if he
is
>Right, I still hate his guts."

Merv, they hate your guts anyway, but they might respect us if we weren't
toothless lapdogs. Consider this:

""I'm an atheist, so it was actually a joy. Spitting on Christ was a great
deal of fun.* I can't embrace a male god who has persecuted female sexuality
throughout the ages." Amanda Donohoe, cited by Jack Huberman, The Quotable
Atheist, (New York: Nation Books, 2007), p. 93

"I think the greatest gift of the Soviet Union to modern civilization was
the dethronement ofthe clergy and the refusal to let religion be taught in
the public schools." W. E. B. DuBois, " cited by Jack Huberman, The
Quotable Atheist, (New York: Nation Books, 2007), p. 96

"Religion prevents our children from having a rational education; religion
prevents us from removing the fundamental causes of war; religion prevents
us from teaching the ethic of scientific co-operation in place of the old
fierce doctrines of sin and punishment. It is possible that mankind is on
the threshold of a golden age; but, if so, it will be necessary first to
slay the dragon that guards the door, and this dragon is religion."Bertrand
Russell, "Has Religion Made Useful Contributions to Civilization?," in Paul
Edwards, editor, Why I Am Not A Christian, ( New York: Touchstone Books,
1957), p. 47

Bertrand answers the question of his title in the negative.

"My view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of
fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race. I cannot, however,
deny that it has made some contributions to civilization. It helped in early
days to fix the calendar, and it caused Egyptian priests to chronicle
eclipses with such care that in time they became able to predict them. These
two services I am prepared to acknowledge, but I do not know of any others."
Bertrand Russell, "Has Religion Made Useful Contributions to Civilization?,"
in Paul Edwards, editor, Why I Am Not A Christian, ( New York: Touchstone
Books, 1957), p. 24

glenn
They're Here: The Pathway Papers
Foundation, Fall, and Flood
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Received on Sat Feb 24 21:56:15 2007