Re: [asa] Re: [asa] Believing Scripture but Playing by Science's Rules

        "Aristotle's _Physica_, Ptolemy's _Almagest_, Newton's _Principia_
and _Opticks_, Franklin's _Electricity_ and Lyell's _Geology_ -these and
many other works served for a time implicitly to to define the legitimate
problems and methods of a research field for succeeding generations of
practitioners. They were able to do so because they shared two essential
characteristics. Their achievment was sufficiently unprecedented to attract
an enduring group of adherents away from competing modes of scientific
activity. Simultaneously, it was sufficiently open-ended to leave all sorts
of problems for the redefined group of practitioners to resolve.

        "Achievments that share these two characteristics I shall henceforth
refer to as 'paradigms,' a term that relates closely to 'normal science.'"

        (Thomas S. Kuhn, _The Structure of Scientific Revolutions_, 2d ed.,
enlarged [University of Chicago, 1970], p.10.)

At least that's what Kuhn meant.

Shalom
George
http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Roberts" <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk>
To: "George Murphy" <gmurphy@raex.com>; "Ted Davis" <TDavis@messiah.edu>;
"American Scientific Affiliation" <asa@calvin.edu>; <wdwllace@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [asa] Re: [asa] Believing Scripture but Playing by Science's
Rules

> Can anyone tell me what a paradigm really is? Is it just a pretentious
> word of no meaning?
>
> Michael
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Murphy" <gmurphy@raex.com>
> To: "Ted Davis" <TDavis@messiah.edu>; "American Scientific Affiliation"
> <asa@calvin.edu>; <wdwllace@sympatico.ca>
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 3:07 PM
> Subject: [asa] Re: [asa] Believing Scripture but Playing by Science's
> Rules
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>
>> Dini's statement is even purer baloney than Ted suggests. The "Ph." in
>> the current Ph.D. is a result of bundling lots of different disciplines
>> into the "philosophy" category, going back to the days when what we now
>> call "science" was "natural philosophy." Of course when someone gets a
>> doctorate in some scientific field she/he is supposed to know something
>> about the way in which that field works, its limitations &c but there
>> seldom is any formal training in "philosophy of science" in the modern
>> sense. Maybe there should be but there isn't. & this isn't limited to
>> science. As a classical scholar my late father of course studied a
>> certain amount of Greek & Latin philosophy but when he got a Ph.D. in
>> classical philology I don't think he did much if any formal study of
>> "philosophy of language."
>>
>> Shalom
>> George
>> http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ted Davis" <TDavis@messiah.edu>
>> To: "American Scientific Affiliation" <asa@calvin.edu>;
>> <wdwllace@sympatico.ca>
>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [asa] Believing Scripture but Playing by Science's Rules
>>
>>
>> I want to comment on these closing lines from the Times article:
>>
>> <Dr. Dini, of Texas Tech, agreed. Scientists "ought to make certain the
>> people they are conferring advanced degrees on understand the philosophy
>> of science and are indeed philosophers of science," he said. "That's what
>> Ph.D. stands for.">
>>
>> It's a nice sentiment, but I doubt that most scientists have much
>> understanding of the philosophy of science. And what "philosophy of
>> science" means to Dini is probably not what it means to Marcus Ross, or
>> even me. There are various approaches to philosophy of science, and I
>> suspect that Dini is thinking of something pretty strongly positivistic.
>>
>> List members may recall that I mentioned Ross some time back, in
>> connection with talking about Kurt Wise and Paul Nelson as YECs with a
>> new attitude--an attitude not appreciated in many YEC circles. I noted
>> his contribution to the DVD on the Cambrian explosion that he did with
>> Steve Meyer, esp the fact that he apparently accepted the earth's great
>> age for purposes of doing the DVD.
>>
>> ted
>>
>>
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