Re: Marcus Ross Re: [asa] Believing Scripture but Playing by Science’s Rules

On 2/12/07, James Mahaffy <Mahaffy@dordt.edu> wrote:
> Folks,

>
> I will not suggest to Marcus that he join this forum much as I would
> love to have good communication between someone like Marcus and this
> group.
> I just sadly see this ASA forum as too unfriendly to YEC folks - sorry
> that is

 I agree wholeheartedly, James. Some of the posts (no names
mentioned) just show downright intolerance and lack of love towards
YEC people. I don't agree with YEC at all, but I do try to have some
form of gentlemanly conversation, and like you, I would NEVER ask any
YEC friends to join this forum because of the ungracious way people
talk about YECs. Doubtless I'll be told (by someone else who shall
remain nameless) that I should stomp all over the enemy just like Viet
Nam, but so be it.

Iain

> the way I see it) but Marcus may
> like to see what you said on the ASA archives at url:
>
> http://www.calvin.edu/archive/asa/200702/
> I will bcc this to him.
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> >>> On 2/12/2007 at 1:30 PM, in message
> <20070212193059.6C1CB712CB6@gray.dordt.edu>, "Terry M. Gray"
> <grayt@lamar.colostate.edu> wrote:
> > Ok, ok. I confess!
> >
> > So I too believe in and strive for a unity of knowledge. But I too,
>
> > when it comes to human evolution, have a somewhat divided mind. I've
>
> > called it "cognitive dissonance". I see nothing wrong with the
> > scientific arguments for human evolution. I am also convinced that
> > scripture teaches a special creation of Adam and Eve (perhaps not
> > necessarily their bodies). On the surface (and well under the
> > surface) those two views are at odds with each other. I've struggled
>
> > over the years with you all and with the churches that I've been
> > associated with to find a suitable solution that satisfies both. I've
>
> > yet to hear of one (sorry to both Glenn and Dick--you've yet to
> > convince me). Thus, I remain in this state of having a divided mind
>
> > on this--I let the science speak for itself (and I fully believe that
>
> > my science and it's methodology is rooted in a Christian worldview)
>
> > and I let the scripture speak for itself (of course, within a certain
>
> > theological and exegetical tradition that I also am convinced is
> sound).
> >
> > Historically, I have taken my cue from Davis Young's ideas expressed
>
> > in Christianity and the Age of the Earth where he argues that if we
>
> > can't even find ways to have our interpretations of scripture to
> > agree with themselves, how can we expect to always be able to get our
>
> > science and our interpretations of scripture to agree. I confess that
>
> > there is a unity (in scripture itself and between scripture and
> > creation) but I admit that I can't always solve the problems. Such
> > problems don't lead to doubt and unbelief (although they do for
> > some), but to a recognition of my own (our own) limited knowledge.
> >
> > So, while I don't have the issue that Ross has, because I don't
> > believe that scripture teaches us about the age of the earth. I don't
>
> > necessarily despise his epistemology here. I think he has a much more
>
> > pragmatic view of science--these are the rules, this is the
> > framework, this is what scientists believe today, so if I'm going to
>
> > join in I have to buy into the rules, the framework, the beliefs--
> > when I'm doing science.
> >
> > I'm not sure I would ever put it the way he does, because I believe
>
> > that scientific methodology is rooted in a Christian worldview and
> > leads us to some knowledge of the truth. So there is a dissonance, a
>
> > recognized conflict, but with a belief that it is ultimately
> resolvable.
> >
> > TG
> >
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