Re: [asa] Chronicle of Higher education on ID

I'd say that Turner is fighting a strawman here namely that Darwinists
are using politics and courts to fight ID. It is ID which shuns peer
review for obvious reasons. It is ID whose arguments have been
rebutted by science.

See also http://scienceblogs.com/evolutionblog/2007/01/fisking_turner.php
by Jason Rosenhouse or
http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2007/01/j_scott_turner.html by
Jeffrey Shallit

<quote>
J. Scott Turner, a professor at the SUNY College of Environmental
Science & Forestry in Syracuse, New York, has a this dumb opinion
piece in the January 19 2007 issue of the Chronicle of Higher
Education. Since a subscription is required to read this (your
university probably has a subscription), I'll excerpt a couple of the
dumber remarks:

Also amusing is the spectacle of independent-minded scientists'
running to college administrators or the courts for help in defining
what is science and what is permissible discourse in their classroom.

…

Faced with all that hue and cry, I almost want to say: "Friends,
intelligent design is just an idea."

…

The strain's very persistence invites the obvious question: If Darwin
settled the issue once and for all, why does it keep coming back?
Perhaps the fault lies with Darwin's supporters. Rather than debate
the strain on its merits, we scramble to the courts or the political
ramparts to expel it from our classrooms and our students' minds.
</quote>

Provocative indeed but mostly because of its level of 'silliness'

On 1/29/07, Ted Davis <TDavis@messiah.edu> wrote:
>
> This week, the Chronicle of Higher Education published an editorial on ID, a
> provocative piece arguing for greater tolerance toward this particular type
> of academic dissent. I like much of this and thought some here would find it
> interesting.
>
> Ted
>
>
> Full text is at
> http://chronicle.com/weekly/v53/i20/20b02001.htm
>
> POINT OF VIEW
> Why Can't We Discuss Intelligent Design?
> By J. SCOTT TURNER
> I'd never had a heckler before. Usually, when I'm asked to give a
> talk, I discuss my research on termites and the remarkable structures
> they build. Usually, I'm glad just to have an audience. x But what
> I'd learned from termites had got me thinking about broader issues,
> among them the question of design in biology: Why are living things
> built so well for the functions they perform? So I wrote a book
> called The Tinkerer 's Accomplice, which was my topic that day.
> The trouble started almost as soon as I stepped up to the podium:
> intrusive "questions" and demands for "clarifications," really
> intended not to illuminate but to disrupt and distract. In
> exasperation, I finally had to ask the heckler to give me a chance to
> make my argument and my audience a chance to hear it, after which he
> could ask all the questions he wished.
> He was not interested in that approach, of course, and left as soon
> as question time began. I found out later that he'd complained at his
> next faculty meeting that the departmental speaker's program should
> never be used as a forum for advancing - what precisely? That was
> never quite clear, either to me or to my embarrassed host.
> I think what stirred up the heckler had something to do with the word
> "design." Unless clearly linked to the process of natural selection,
> "design" can be a bit of a red flag for modern biologist s. The reason
> is not hard to fathom. Most people, when they contemplate the living
> world, get an overwhelming sense that it is a designed place, replete
> with marvelous and ingenious contrivances: the beak of a hummingbird
> curved like the nectaries it feeds from, bones shaped to the loads
> they must bear, feathers that could teach new tricks to an
> aeronautical engineer, the nearly unfathomable complexity of a brain
> that can see - all built as if someone had designed them.
> And that, in a nutshell, is the problem. Say "design," and you imply
> that a designer has been at work, with all the attributes implied by
> that word: forward-looking, purposeful, intelligent, and intentional.
> For many centuries, most people drew precisely that conclusion from
> the designs they thought they saw everywhere in nature.
> Charles Darwin was supposed to have put paid to that idea, of course,
> and ever since his day biologists have considered it gauch e to speak
> of design, or even to hint at purposefulness in nature. Doing so in
> polite company usually earns you what I call The Pause, the awkward
> silence that typically follows a faux pas.
> If just one freighted word like "design" can evoke The Pause,
> combining two - as in the phrase "intelligent design" - seems to make
> otherwise sane people slip their moorings. If you enjoy irony, as I
> do, the spectacle can provide hours of entertainment. I wonder, for
> example, what demon had gripped a past president of Cornell
> University when he singled out intelligent design as a unique threat
> to academic and civil discourse. Aren't universities supposed to be a
> place for dangerous ideas?
> Also amusing is the spectacle of independent-minded scientists'
> running to college administrators or the courts for help in defining
> what is science and what is permissible discourse in their
> classrooms. And I find it hard to suppress a chuckle at the sheer
> brass of books like Richard Dawkins's recent The God Delusion
> (Houghton Mifflin, 2006), which seem untroubled by traditional
> boundaries between religion and science as long as the intrusion is
> going their way.
> Faced with all that hue and cry, I almost want to say: "Friends,
> intelligent design is just an idea." You might believe (as I do) that
> it is a wrongheaded idea, but it's hard to see how that alone should
> disqualify it from academic discourse. Academe is full of wrongheaded
> ideas, and always has been - not because academe itself is
> wrongheaded, but because to discuss such ideas is its very function.
> Even bad ideas can contain kernels of truth, and it is academe's role
> to find them. That can be done only in the sunlight and fresh air of
> normal academic discourse. Expelling an idea is the surest way to
> allow falsehood to survive.
> A critic of intelligent design could reasonably reply: "That's all
> true , but there are limits to how much tolerance should be extended
> to wrongheadedness. Once falsehood is exposed as such, it needs to be
> shown the door." It's worth remembering, though, that we have been
> here before. Intelligent design is just the latest eruption of a
> longstanding strain of anti-Darwinist thought, which includes the
> Scopes "monkey" trial of the 1920s, the "creation science"
> controversies of the 1970s, and many other skirmishes, large and small.
> The strain's very persistence invites the obvious question: If Darwin
> settled the issue once and for all, why does it keep coming back?
> Perhaps the fault lies with Darwin's supporters. Rather than debate
> the strain on its merits, we scramble to the courts or the political
> ramparts to expel it from our classrooms and our students' minds.
> That is a pity because at the core of intelligent design is a
> question worth pondering: Is evolution shaped in any way by
> purposefuln ess or intentionality? Darwinism is clear in its answer -
> no way, no how - and that is not mere obstinacy, as some might
> charge. The banishment of purpose from evolution is Darwinism's sine
> qua non, which Darwin himself fought hard to establish, and which his
> descendants have defended stoutly ever since.
> Most of the challenges to Darwinism over the years, including
> intelligent design, have arisen over what most people see as a self-
> evident link between design and purpose in the living world. A
> Darwinist would say that the purpose is only apparent, that what we
> believe to be design is actually the accumulated product of an
> unintentional process of "tinkering," using materials at hand to
> cobble together solutions to immediate problems - keeping those that
> work, discarding those that do not, but proceeding with no view of
> the future, only with the legacy of the past.
> But what if evolution really is purposeful in some way? I n fact
> Darwin dethroned only one type of purposefulness, the Platonic
> idealism that had previously underscored the concept of the species.
> There's more to purpose than Plato, however, and it remains an open
> question how other forms of purposefulness might inform our thinking
> about evolution. What might purposeful evolution look like? Is design
> its signature? Can it be reconciled with Darwinism? If so, how? If
> not, why not?
> It's hard to see a threat in asking such questions. Indeed, it's hard
> to see how asking them could do anything but enrich our understanding
> about evolution and how we teach it.
> Here is where I have to give the proponents of intelligent design
> their (limited) due. Their intellectual pedigree might be suspect,
> their thinking might be wrong, but at least they are asking an
> interesting question: What is the meaning of design of the living world?
> In our readiness to proscribe intelligent design, we Darwin ists are
> telling the world not only that we are unwilling to ask such
> questions ourselves, but that we don't want others to ask them
> either. No wonder the war on Darwin won't go away.
> J. Scott Turner is an associate professor of biology at the State
> University of New York's College of Environmental Science and
> Forestry. His latest book, The Tinkerer's Accomplice: How Design
> Emerges From Life Itself, was published by Harvard University Press
> this month.
>
> http://chronicle.com
> Section: The Chronicle Review
> Volume 53, Issue 20, Page B20
>
>
>
>

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