Hi, Bill,
When Andy McIntosh, the most prominent UK YEC spokesman came to speak at our
church (amidst quite a bit of protest!), he was quite insistent that there
were TWO sorts of death that were introduced by Adam's sin, namely a
spiritual death (that occurred immediately) AND a physical death. He also
made some bizarre argument about when the two different deaths occurred
during the crucifixion (possibly the spiritual death occurring when Jesus
said "My God my God why have you forsaken me" and the physical one when he
"gave up the ghost"). Hence, in his view, both deaths were acted out as
penalties on the Cross because both had arisen as part of the fall.
I couldn't see any obvious justification for his arguments apart from the
fact that he made them very forcefully. ( Argument Weak - Shout Louder
principle). In fact he harangued us so loudly that the vicar told him to
tone it down for the second service!
Iain
On 1/2/07, Bill Hamilton <williamehamiltonjr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> --- Merv <mrb22667@kansas.net> wrote:
>
> > I had just read & pondered that verse (Rom 5:12) myself, this
> > morning! Humility is an important ingredient also, in any of these
> > discussions -- which (for me) means acknowledging the probable
> > transience of my own currently settled position. --well summarized with
> > the glib bumper sticker: 'Never put a period where God has put a
> > comma.' As a Christian, though, I also cling to the faith that my
> > transient apprehension has as its subject a body of universal and
> > intransigent Truth.
> >
> > On Romans 5:12, one of the problems with the traditional creationist
> > understanding of this verse is the insistence that it refer to physical
> > death. This would make a literal untruth of Gen. 2:17 (... in /that
> > day/ you shall surely die ...) In order to preserve the physical
> > interpretation of death here, the young-earth creationist would have to
> > budge away from the literal 24 hour meaning of 'day' which, it seems to
> > me, would be an inconsistency.
>
> Surely creationists have heard this argument, but I am not aware of what,
> if
> any, response they have made to it. Does anyone know?
>
> Bill Hamilton
> William E. Hamilton, Jr., Ph.D.
> 248.652.4148 (home) 248.821.8156 (mobile)
> "...If God is for us, who is against us?" Rom 8:31
>
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