Re: [asa] Denyse O'Leary on family values and Darwinism

From: <Dawsonzhu@aol.com>
Date: Mon Jan 01 2007 - 20:07:03 EST

PvM quoted:

> Given enough universes, some
> would by chance possess the matter fields necessary to generate stars
> and thus black holes. Since these would produce far more offspring,
> they would become far more numerous than universes without stars.
>

If "offspring" is the target, wouldn't black holes be the
"selective advantage".

I don't think it is just any black hole that can generate
offspring either. Isn't this the extremely massive black holes that
in effect crush themselves? I realize we don't have much data
on the very early universe, but it seems like if any of this
is true, the conditions necessary would require all of this to
have been finished in a very narrow time window near the
beginning.

I guess they don't claim that our universe is necessarily the
"target" for this kind of process, and maybe they can admit
that this one is not in the pool with the selective advantage.
Otherwise, it strike me as an apriori assumption that universes
that permit the existence of intelligent life should also happen
to generate "the most offspring". I'm not assured that this
universe satisfies the latter claim.

It is also rather tenuous to extend the concept of virtual
_particles_ to whole universes complete with "stuff" inside.
I'm quite comfortable with virtual photons or electrons, quarks,
neutrinos etc. I'm comfortable with pounding something
and "connecting the sparks" with these virtural particles
with some curious consequences. But the scale and complexity
of the species is a whole different ball game here.

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