Re: [asa] Random and design

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. <dfsiemensjr@juno.com>
Date: Sat Nov 18 2006 - 13:45:05 EST

Don,
This is correct if God is confined to time. But if God is eternal in the
sense of being timeless, then the path an electron took-takes-will take
will not need to be determined in a picosecond. It is simply known.
George doesn't like this notion, for he insists the Father felt the death
of the Son _when_ it happened. I contend that if this is the temporal
situation with the unincarnate deity, then we have an impossible problem
with human freedom as well as with indeterministic quanta. Paul had to be
wrong when he declared that those God foreknew pre-creation he _has_
glorified.

On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 22:33:00 -0800 "Don Winterstein"
<dfwinterstein@msn.com> writes:
<snip>

Fact is, if God can determine why an electron "decides" to go to one
location on the interference pattern rather than to another, he must be
able to read the electron's "mind" in maybe a picosecond. If the
electron doesn't have a mind but just responds in knee-jerk fashion,
...well, it's all so hard to comprehend. We don't know how to think like
particles. Nevertheless, it still seems reasonable to me that God would
be able to extensively influence the development of the world by
manipulating particles within their probability distributions, all
without violating any physical law.

But as for whether physicists now acknowledge hard limits--no one I've
heard of. What they're likely to readily acknowledge is that the world
is far stranger than our predecessors knew. And it is experiment, often
suggested and illuminated by theory, that tells us this.

Don

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