Re: [asa] YEC and ID arguments

True. But what's the diff when it comes to theology? God either engineered
everything -- strictly through Darwinian process or dropping in some IC
systems or whatever -- or He didn't. Convergent evolution either reflects
God's design, or it doesn't. Either way, you have the guy with the long
white beard in a lab coat.

On 10/24/06, Austerberry, Charles <cfauster@creighton.edu> wrote:
>
> Behe and Dembski don't merely see a purpose in the flagellum. They see
> irreducible complexity. I don't think you'll find Simon Conway Morris
> claiming to see irreducible complexity in the Cambrian fauna, for example.
>
> Cheers.
>
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> *From:* David Opderbeck [mailto:dopderbeck@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:19 PM
> *To:* Austerberry, Charles
> *Cc:* asa@lists.calvin.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [asa] YEC and ID arguments
>
>
> And yet, Simon Conway Morris' ideas about convergent evolution in Life's
> Solution are teleological arguments that seem to suggest the same kind of
> engineer. How is seeing a purpose in convergent evolution all that much
> different than seeing a purpose in the flagellum?
>
>
> On 10/24/06, Austerberry, Charles <cfauster@creighton.edu> wrote:
> >
> > In Simon Conway Morris' words:
> >
> > "In my opinion, ID is a false and misleading attraction. There would be
> > little point in reiterating the many objections raised against ID,
> > especially those made by the scientific colleagues, but opponents, of
> > Michael Behe and Bill Dembski, its two principal proponents.
> >
> > Rather, ID has a more interesting failing, a theological failing.
> > Consider a possible analogy, that of Gnosticism. Who knows where this
> > claptrap come from, but it could have been an attempt to reconcile orphic
> > and mithraic mysteries with a new, and, to many in the Ancient World, a very
> > dangerous Christianity.
> >
> > So, too, in our culture, those given over to being worshippers of the
> > machine and the computer model, those admirers of organised efficiency -
> > they would not expect the Creator (that is, the one identified as the
> > engineer of the bacterial flagellar motor, or whatever your favourite case
> > study of ID might be) to be encumbered with the customary cliché of bearing
> > a large white beard, but to be the very model of scientific efficiency, and
> > so don a very large white coat. ID is surely the deist's option, and one
> > that turns its back not only on the richness and beauty of creation, but, as
> > importantly, on its limitless possibilities. It is a theology for control
> > freaks.
> >
> > To question ID might generate a ripple of applause from neo-Darwinians,
> > until they recall that theology is not a fad, a pastime for eccentrics, but
> > central to our enterprise. Such an approach may not only be consistent with
> > evolution, but can also resonate with orthodox Christian theology - the
> > fall, the incarnation and the end times."
> >
> >
> > http://www.churchtimes.co.uk/churchtimes/website/pages.nsf/httppublicpages/63693299A537AEDD80256FB2003650C7
> >
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> >
> > Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:51:02 -0400
> > From: "David Opderbeck" <dopderbeck@gmail.com >
> > Subject: Re: [asa] YEC and ID arguments
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> > *An argument for theism/design based on convergent evolution is simply a
> > non
> > sequiteur.*
> >
> > So you didn't like Simon Conway Morriss' recent book?
> >
> >
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