Re: [asa] YEC and ID arguments

> *And you "overspeak" yourself all the time in your insistence upon
> applying
> the generic term "evolution" from the specific meanings of cosmic and
> chemical and biological evolutions (all very different of course to anyone
> who's studied science) to social and cultural phenomena.*
>
> But this is exactly how materialists apply the term, from Dawkins to
> Lewontin to Dennett to Wilson. In our somewhat insular discussions on
> this
> list, we like to cabin "evolution" as something very specific involving
> biological common descent. But "true" Darwinists apply "evolution" to
> mind,
> spirit and culture as well, whether in the form of sociobiology or
> memetics. *We who believe there is such a thing as the image of God in
> man
> are just as ridiculous to true Darwinists as YECs (and for some, ID's) are
> to us.* Greg is right about this.

I really don't care what Dawkins or other ontological naturalists believe
"evolution" means. Why would you want to use their false hyperbolic
meanings of this general term to conflate the very different academic
areas of cosmic, chemical, biological, and cultural evolutions? Dawkins
and his ideological lot are as ignorant of reality as Henry Morris, Duane
Gish, and Jon Sarfati.

> BTW, there's a fascinating and frightening article in the current issue of
> Wired on the "new atheism" that reinforces, I think, Greg's point. It's
> not
> online yet, but pick it up on the news stand. All of us who believe
> there
> is something beyond mere matter are held in utter contempt by the
> intellectual vanguard of contemporary Darwinism, whether we accept common
> descent or not. We should spend more energy on thoughtful, unified
> responses to the fallacies of materialism than we do on sniping at other
> people of faith who question evolution, however defined.
>

I'm all for a thoughtful unified attack on materialism (ontological
naturalism?), but not at the expense of throwing out *clear* empirical
evidence of deep time in the rock and cosmic records and common descent of
the biosphere. How does the latter compromise our Christian faith in any
way and support the cynics POV?

I sure wish I could see your and Arago's POV, but for the love of God, I
surely don't. What are you trying to get at anyway?

R

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