Re: [asa] McGrath, Torrance, and Monistic View

Was this person into "Process Theology"? I don't understand PT, but I think they adopt a more dualist approach to things. Dualism, like Theism, is non-monist. However, it asserts equality between the dual poles, whereas orthodox theism asserts inequality between the Creator and the created.
 
Dualism = Two co-equal entities exist
 
Theism = Only one supreme entity exists (God), which created subordinate entities (nature, man, etc)
 
Monism = Only one entity exists (God or Nature)
 
Hence, this person may be seing Theism as a step away from Dualism towards Monism, and erroneously labeling Theism as Monism.
 
Phil
 
 
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Subject: Re: [asa] McGrath, Torrance, and Monistic View

Thanks Phil. The person I was speaking with isn't evangelical or Christian at all in any traditional sense. He was criticizing McGrath's evangelical-ness when he used the term "monist." Maybe he used the wrong term?

On 10/15/06, philtill@aol.com <philtill@aol.com> wrote:
David,
I spent a week sitting in a TV studio as part of McGrath's audience while he taped a seminar on science and Christianity. During the entire seminar I never picked up that McGrath was anything other than an orthodox Anglican evangelical. I never picked up that he held to any monist ideas of God. Perhaps this is someone's interpretation of McGrath's beliefs, rather than McGrath's own interpretation of them.
 
"Monism" usually means that belief that only One entity fundamentally exists, and that all the varied things we experience are really just manifestations of that One. Monistic faiths include Pantheism (incl. Hinduism), which asserts that everything is really God in the final analysis, and atheism, which asserts that everything is really non-God in the final analysis. Non-monistic faiths include Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, because they assert that God both exists and **created** things, and that this creating brought into existence things that stand as **other** than Himself. That is, there is a Creator/creation distinction in non-monist faiths, and so God is not the only thing that exists. It has been claimed that the good vs. evil distinction cannot exist in monism, since good is defined by the creator and non-good can only be a property of beings that are not the creator. Hence, good and evil ultimately just illusions in monist belief systems like Hinduism or ath
 eism. I have a hard time believing McGrath is really monist.
 
He seemed like a very nice person, and you might get to speak with him if you give him a call. He is not teaching right now because he won a Templeton fellowship to focus on research regarding the interface between science and Christianity, and he was very excited about that. He might be willing to talk with you if you introduce yourself stating your credentials and your interests.
 
best,
Phil
 
 
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Subject: [asa] McGrath, Torrance, and Monistic View

I met someone today who teaches at Oxford with Alister McGrath. He mentioned that McGrath draws heavily on Barth and on Torrance, and described McGrath as "monistic," a position with which he strongly disagreed. He also mentioned that he had been on the board of the Templeton Foundation when it was first formed. What is the "monistic" position to which he referred, and what are the alternatives?

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