RE: [asa] Re: Day 7 and beyond

I can't answer how YECs deal with day 7 (i.e. as continuing until today,
which would contradict their strict reading of YOM, or as a single literal
day of God's rest). This is definitely a good point to make to them, in
light of New Testament treatment of the "rest".

But dealing with modifications to creation after Genesis 1 is not a problem.
Gen 3:18 says thorns and thistles would come forth from the earth (YEC
presumption: only after the Fall), so therefore those plants must have been
created newly after the fall. The serpent was changed to go on its belly,
and the woman's natural conception was (presumably) changed. However, it is
a giant leap to assume that millipedes, snakes, spiders, annoying insects,
carnivorous animals, etc. were either created or "modified" after the Fall,
when the text says nothing about it. I used to assume this, and still find
myself blaming Adam for all the weeds in my garden :-), but I don't think it
would be a big theological problem for YECs to explain this as part of the
creation "groaning in pain" as a consequence of Adam's sin.

Nevertheless, it would still be interesting to press the point about
"creation" occuring after Genesis 1 with them, and see how they would react.
After all, Genesis 2:1-4 says ALL the heavens and earth were already
finished, Genesis 2:5 says God had already created every plant of the field,
and every beast of the field in Gen 2:19. There doesn't seem to be any room
for any new species to be created. Where is the verse that says God
modified all those animals He had just created to make them brutal,
blood-thirsty, and deadly?

Jon Tandy

-----Original Message-----
From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of Roger G. Olson
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:46 PM
To: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: [asa] Re: Day 7 and beyond

George,

You bring up insightful and focused points as usual. The *theological*
truth of Scripture and Ge 1-11 in particular, vis a vis a verse-for-verse
concordance, is the essential hermenutical issue.

But my question was how YECccs deal with the apparent dilemma of terminating
diurnal cycles in their "literalism". 'Seems to me they're stuck either way
- the manifestation of Creation ain't finished or the "days" aren't circa
24-hour periods.

R

P.S. Maybe Vernon could massage the numerology of Hebrew grammar to proffer
an answer? ;-)

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger G. Olson" <rogero@saintjoe.edu>
> To: "Merv" <mrb22667@kansas.net>
> Cc: <asa@calvin.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:33 PM
> Subject: [asa] Day 7 and beyond, was: AIG argues (again) for design
>
>
> Merv,
>
> You beget an interesting question that has perhaps been dealt with
> before, so pardon my ignorance if it has. How do the YECcchers deal
> with days after number 7? Do they feel that Day 7 continues until
> today, in which case YOM has a multiple meaning, obviating their
> argument on the Six Literal Days. Or, there are days 8, 9, ..., n,
> ..., in which case YHWH continues to interact with Creation.
>
> 2 points relative to this:
>
> 1) The Sabbath is the eschaton - it is not _just_ the 7th day of the
> week but a foretaste the kingdom of God. That's why so many of Jesus'
> healings are on the Sabbath.
>
> 2) "My Father is working even until now, and I am working" - Jesus'
> response when challenged for healing on the Sabbath (Jn.5:17).
>
> Both of which => that if you read Genesis without christological
> context you miss the point.
>
> Shalom
> George
> http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
>
>
>

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