Re: [asa] Darwin's Deadly Legacy

Bob

My strategy is to emphasise the age of the earth and let everything else
look after itself. This I devised for YEC decades ago, and soon felt that
the Achilles heel of ID was its refusal to come down firm on the age of the
earth.

You cannot discuss the so-called Cambrian explosion or common descent
without first working out the order of strata and then AS A RESULT OF THAT
the succession of life. That is also the way geology developed (see Martin
Rudwick's marvellous Bursting the Limits of Time,)

Some years ago I had a discussion with Eugenie Scott of NCSE about this and
she argued that I underplayed evolution. I think she is wrong, as without a
firm time-line and an awareness of geological time, common descent is as
valid as direct creation. (See my chapter in Debating Design ed Ruse and
Demski - but ignore D's comments about me!)

Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Schneider" <rjschn39@bellsouth.net>
To: "Michael Roberts" <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk>; "American
Scientific Affiliation" <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [asa] Darwin's Deadly Legacy

> Michael,
>
> If you're correct then the thing to do in any conversation or public
> "discourse" with Iders is to pin them down on common descent and the age
> of the earth, and not let them squirm out of it.
>
> Bob
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Roberts" <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk>
> To: "Robert Schneider" <rjschn39@bellsouth.net>; "American Scientific
> Affiliation" <asa@calvin.edu>; "Keith Miller" <kbmill@ksu.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 5:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [asa] Darwin's Deadly Legacy
>
>
>> Bob
>>
>> I agree with Keith on this one. ID has shifted in a YEC direction over
>> the last 6 years and I reckon that soon ID will be caught between a rock
>> and a hard place (one dated at October 4004BC and the other 4.2 by). Each
>> Ider will have to choose which way to jump
>>
>> Michael
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Robert Schneider" <rjschn39@bellsouth.net>
>> To: "American Scientific Affiliation" <asa@calvin.edu>; "Keith Miller"
>> <kbmill@ksu.edu>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 10:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [asa] Darwin's Deadly Legacy
>>
>>
>>> Ooblog's piece on the Kennedy film includes an email that the blogger
>>> wrote to Michael Behe regarding his participation in this production.
>>> Behe wrote back to say:
>>>
>>> I'm "associated" with it only in the sense that a clip of my appearance
>>> on a TV show of Dr. Kennedy's from years ago apparently is used in the
>>> film. I didn't know this program was in the works, have had no
>>> conversations with anyone from Coral Ridge about it, and had no input
>>> into it.
>>>
>>> Best wishes.
>>>
>>> Mike Behe
>>>
>>> Add one more note of chicanery to the others. I wonder if the same is
>>> true of the Wells appearance. It would be good to get a response from
>>> him. It may be that Kennedy did him the way he did Collins and Behe.
>>>
>>> I still tend to think that the YEC people are doing most of the linking
>>> with ID rather than the other way around. The ID people have made the
>>> mistake of dancing with the Devil, as the saying goes, and they're
>>> discovering that this fiddler doesn't stop.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Keith Miller" <kbmill@ksu.edu>
>>> To: "American Scientific Affiliation" <asa@calvin.edu>
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 3:03 PM
>>> Subject: [asa] Darwin's Deadly Legacy
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have recently read some descriptions of the D. James Kennedy film by
>>>>those who have seen it. Those appearing in the film include
>>>>prominently Ann Coulter who presents herself as an authority on
>>>>Darwinism, along with Ken Ham, Jonathan Wells, and Mike Behe.
>>>>Unfortunately the appearance by Francis Collins has NOT been removed,
>>>>despite Francis's complaint and the promise to remove his video
>>>>appearance.
>>>>
>>>> It seems that the DI fellows are moving more and more to an
>>>> uncompromising position and more publicly allying themselves with YECs
>>>> and those on the political extreme. It really seems that the ID
>>>> movement is collapsing into just another expression of YEC.
>>>>
>>>> The continued inclusion of Collins is just inexcusable. This type of
>>>> unethical behavior for me is the most troubling and the most damaging
>>>> to the public perception of evangelicalism.
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>>
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