RE: [asa] AIG -- Scientists! Give it up!

RE: [asa] AIG -- Scientists! Give it up!
  --- Joel wrote --
  What I am always struck by with this response regarding migration habits
is how little they have thought about what there own explanaton implies.

  The implicaton is that God created salmon, or birds, or monarch
butterflies with exact programs for returning to particular places.
However, if this is the case what then of the Flood? Monarch butterlies
didn't migrate to San Juan Capistrano prior to a global flood because the
region of the world didn't exist as it does today. Those rivers the Salmon
are returning to didn't exist either. According to YEC, the magnetic field
of the earth may have been very different in the past. Did God create these
organisms with some programming for return to a particular place he knew
would exist after the flood?

  Joel Duff
  Akron OH

   In response to Burgy
  From AIG this week, a command for scientists to give up the quest.

  Q: Why are the migration habits of salmon so amazing?

  A: The migration of salmon is a fascinating phenomenon. Pacific
  salmon have a built-in guidance system.

  Research indicates that salmon are able to use the earth's magnetic
  field and the position of the sun, moon and stars. They also have the
  ability to detect the chemical composition of the stream from which
  they actually began their life. All this to enable salmon to return
  to their native stream to spawn!

  How can evolutionary scientists be so blind? The salmon's astounding
  ability to navigate great distances with perfect accuracy is
  impossible to explain as a result of purposeless and unguided
  evolution.

  While we may be impressed by man's achievements, such as building
  guided missiles, how much more should we worship the Creator God who
  made the salmon?

  Burgy

   I'm missing something. God did and does create, and he did and does
involve himself in our lives. I had the impression that most people on the
list believe in God the creator - which is not to say that God the creator
cannot have created evolution in the same way that He obviously created
procreation. Personally, I believe that the mathematical probabilities all
over the place indicate that God's guidance is required.

  I also figured that the objection to Intelligent Design being taught in
the schools wasn't so much objection to the concept, but rather objection to
what could be done politically with the concept.

  I know that everyone doesn't agree - but this attack of the YECs, no
matter what they say, seems to have other than pure intellectual motives.

  'How does one deal with a YEC?' has been a topic. Well, I can tell you how
to deal with anyone who disagrees with you - agree with them on something. I
will agree with them on this - the migration habits of certain creatures are
amazing and miraculous. They fill me with wonder. God is a miraculous
creator. He is obviously all around us.

  I get along well with contractors. Many engineers don't. I ask the
contrasctors questions. I ask them to help me. I acknowledge that their
knowledge is every bit as important as mine and that they have knowledge
that I do not.

  People want to be respected. As a business owner, I have discovered that
people want respect a lot more than they want money - assuming that they
have food, clothing and a roof over their head.

  I am reading a book where the authors were about to lose me with their
lecturesome, literalist manner. And then they made a point of stating that
many who do not accept the Bible literally are just as saved as the authors
because they truly accept Jesus and his role on earth and in their lives.

  We all need to remember, the Bible asks 'Who are you to judge another
man's servant?'

  The YEC's belong to Jesus as well.

  And the observers who reject Christianity? They will be most attracted by
our love. Infighting is not a show of love.

  You owe a debt of gratitude to the YEC's. They keep you intellectually
stimulated. They send you off and running on new research jaunts. Agreeing
is not fun, it is downright boring. It is good to disagree. With love.

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Received on Sun Jul 23 18:20:48 2006