Re: [asa] Orthodox Theologian Speaks on Modern Deserts

From: <RFaussette@aol.com>
Date: Wed Jul 19 2006 - 17:36:47 EDT

In a message dated 7/19/2006 1:21:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
gmurphy@raex.com writes:
But it is precisely the need for this type of submission that rules out
claims like "God favors the learned," the subject of previous debate. If God
favors the learned & I'm learned then I have something in myself that I can rely on
to gain God's favor. My submission need be only partial because I can say to
God "Here's something that you should reward me for."

George,

You're one of my most consistent critics but I appreciate your input.

I'm probably opening a can of worms, but my statement God favors the learned
is based on the proper understanding of the fall as the shift from instinctive
to learned behavior. The text in Genesis is very specific and I cover those
specifics in my paper True Religion which is available upon request.

If I understand Job correctly, I can't rely on God's favor as reciprocity for
my good behavior. God is God and need not keep the same scorecard I do.

Submission must be complete. The self must be transcended. Any hope or
concern for the self negates the self sacrifice. Trust must be wholly in God and not
the self. When you stop asking questions about heaven and salvation for your
"self" you're there. The creature (your self) is gone.

The Catholic Encyclopedia: “In heaven, however, no creature will stand
between God and the soul. He himself will be the immediate object of its vision.
Scripture and theology tell us that the blessed see God face to face.”

rich faussette

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