Re: [asa] Opposing Anti-Evolution

In a message dated 7/13/2006 7:40:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rich.blinne@gmail.com writes:
19For it is written:
   "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
      the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."
 20Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of
this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the
wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased
through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

 
What are quotes without context?
"Where does he get this wisdom from and these miraculous powers? Matt 13:54
What wisdom is this that has been given him? Mark 6:2
The child grew big and strong and full of wisdom. Luke 2:40
Why do you not understand my language? It is because my revelation is beyond
your grasp. John 8:43"
I found the context for your quotes, the context you should have provided,
for without context, you have no argument. I will provide the context for you,
to show that even had you provided the context, you would not have had a
defensible argument.
Here is the context you might have provided. The below text is from wikipedia
and shows the tension that produced your quotes which are made within the
parameters of Jesus' critique of the pharisees. However, within the greater
context of both the old and new testaments, which I was discussing, wisdom is the
way to God. In John, Jesus says, I have been taught by my Father... If you
dwell within the revelation I have brought, you are indeed my disciples, you shall
know the truth and the truth will set you free. John 8:29-33
From wikipedia:
Fundamentally, the Pharisees continued a form of Judaism that extended beyond
the Temple, applying Jewish law to mundane activities in order to sanctify
the every-day world. This was a more participatory (or "democratic") form of
Judaism, in which rituals were not monopolized by an inherited priesthood but
rather could be performed by all adult Jews individually or collectively; whose
leaders were not determined by birth but by scholarly achievement. In general,
the Pharisees emphasized a commitment to social justice, belief in the
brotherhood of mankind, and a faith in the redemption of the Jewish nation and,
ultimately, humanity. Moreover, they believed that these ends would be achieved
through halakha ("the way," or "the way things are done"), a corpus of laws
derived from a close reading of sacred texts. This belief entailed both a
commitment to relate religion to ordinary concerns and daily life, and a commitment to
study and scholarly debate.
In the 4th century CE, Christians canonized a "New Testament" consisting of
texts written between 60 CE and about 150 CE, which spell out a New Covenant
and provides the case for its basis in the Bible. In the "New Testament" the
ruling Pharisees of his time (the house of Shammai) are often represented as
being the ideological foes of Jesus.
An important binary in the New Testament is the opposition between law and
love. Accordingly, the New Testament presents the Pharisees as obsessed with
man-made rules (especially concerning purity) whereas Jesus is more concerned
with God’s love; the Pharisees scorn sinners whereas Jesus seeks them out.
Some scholars believe that those passages of the New Testament that present a
caricature of the Pharisees were not written during Jesus' lifetime but
rather sometime after the destruction of Herod's Temple in 70 CE, at a time when it
had become clear that most Jews did not consider Jesus to be the messiah. At
this time Christians sought most new converts from among the gentiles. They
thus presented a story of Jesus that was more sympathetic to Romans than to
Jews. Moreover, it was only after 70 CE that Phariseeism emerged as the dominant
form of Judaism. For Christian leaders at this time to present Christianity as
the legitimate heir to the Old Testament Covenant, they had to devalue
Rabbinic Judaism.
There is nothing more important to salvation in the OT and the NT than
knowing and living by the wisdom of God, in fact, knowing the law so intuitively
that it is written on your heart.
rich faussette

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Received on Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:35:24 EDT