Re: 666 Day

Oh dear... I am about to get on a long plane flight to Europe. What an
awful day to fly! (When I was young, I remember hearing from someone at
church that the airlines never let a Christian pilot fly with a Christian
co-pilot, in case the rapture occurred and they both suddenly disappeared!
I'm guessing that was one of those "evangelical subculture urband legends.")

On 6/6/06, drsyme@cablespeed.com <drsyme@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
> What I said was that if you accept that 666 refers to
> Nero, which of the following is more likely, that John
> wrote Revelation during or before the time of Nero, or
> that he wrote it in the late 90's, and was talking about
> some rumors of Nero's survival or resurrection? I think
> that an early writing of Revelation is more likely.
>
> Of course he could be talking about Domitian, (or any evil
> Roman emperor) which would solve your problem of a pre 70
> date of Revelation. But you still have a problem (if you
> hold a futurist eschatology) that this would mean a first
> century fulfillment of the Last Days.
>
> If you accept that 666 refers to Nero, a preterist (either
> full or partial) eschatology is on the whole more
> coherent, than is a futurist eschatology, in my opinion.
>
> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:31:07 -0400
> "George L. Murphygmurphy@raex.com" <gmurphy@raex.com>
> wrote:
> > Any evil Roman emperor might be considered Nero
> >redivivus, & stand more broadly for the claims to
> >ultimate loyalty of the imperium. The persecution of
> >Christians at Rome under Nero was relatively brief &
> >localized. In particular, it had little or no effect in
> >Asia Minor. The 1st really general persecution of
> >Christians was under Domitian, which is one reason for
> >the traditional dating of Revelation in or shortly after
> >his reign in the 90s.
> >
> >Frankly I see no reason at all to think it "likely" that
> >Revelation was written before 68 A.D.
> >
> > I mentioned that Neron Qsr adds up to 666 with the
> >Hebrew letters. Actually the o is w (numerical value 6)
> >which sometimes functions as an o. If the final n
> >(numerical value 50) is dropped - which is perhaps more
> >natural - then you get 616, for which these is some mss
> >evidence. If 616 is correct then kaisar theos (divine
> >Caesar or Caesar is God) in Greek works. There is also
> >very weak mss evidence for 646
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > We are talking about inspired scripture, not tabloid
> >> journalism. So John was writing about someone that
> >>there
> >> were only rumors about, and those rumors were likely
> >> incorrect? To me that explanation is much less likely
> >> than Revelation being written prior to 68AD.
> >>
> >> Wright's interpretation is reasonable, but would 666 be
> >> referring to a person then?
> >>
> >> On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:54:03 -0400
> >> "George Murphy" <gmurphy@raex.com> wrote:
> >> > Jack -
> >> >
> >> > No, this doesn't require rev to have been written
> >>before
> >> >Nero's death. After that there were rumors that he was
> >> >alive, or had returned from the dead, & was in Parthia
> >> >preparing to invade the empire. (Hence perhaps the
> >> >things about invasion from the east in Rev.) This
> >>would
> >> >be similar to stories after WWII of Hitler's survival.
> >> > Wright has some discussion in _The Resurrection of the
> >> >Son of God_. "Nron Qsr" can represent the evil aspects
> >> >of the Roman imperium generally.
> >> >
> >> > Shalom
> >> > George
> >> > http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: jack syme
> >> > To: George Murphy ; Dick Fischer ; ASA
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:14 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: 666 Day
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Wow, what an admission this is!
> >> >
> >> > As a preterist, I am not even convinced that 666
> >>refers
> >> >to Nero (although it is an interesting theory and I
> >>have
> >> >no other better suggestion.)
> >> >
> >> > But to even admit this is a possibility means that
> >>you
> >> >guys believe that Revelation was written prior to 70AD
> >> >(prior to 68 AD even since that is the date of Nero's
> >> >death,) and that John (if not other NT authors)
> >> >anticipated that the Last Days was going to be a first
> >> >century event.
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: George Murphy
> >> > To: Dick Fischer ; ASA
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 6:24 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: 666 Day
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Nero is the most likely suspect but in any case the
> >> >text says "it is the number of a human" (arithmos gar
> >> >anthropon estin) so anyone who tries to connect it with
> >> >the number of a month hasn't even read the text with
> >>any
> >> >care. & in the 1st century June wouldn't have even
> >>been
> >> >the 6th month!
> >> >
> >> > Shalom
> >> > George
> >> > http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: Dick Fischer
> >> > To: ASA
> >> > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:38 PM
> >> > Subject: 666 Day
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At last a day we can celebrate(?) on the same day
> >> >on both sides of the Atlantic Pond. Before anyone
> >>crawls
> >> >under the bed to escape the antichrist this is just a
> >> >brief reminder that those numbers likely referred to
> >> >Nero. Okay, say a prayer or two just in case.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Dick Fischer
> >> >
> >> > Dick Fischer, Genesis Proclaimed Association
> >> >
> >> > Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History
> >> >
> >> > www.genesisproclaimed.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> > George L. Murphy
>
>
Received on Tue Jun 6 15:34:53 2006