I am going to do my usual contrarian thing. I wasn't going to reply to this thread, but the mention of this book makes me do it. This book is pure sophistry and twising of facts on the level of YECs. Here is one of the things they say which is so ludicrous as to make me cry that this nonsense is being taught.
“RTB's biblical creation model considers the hominids found in the fossil record to be animals created by God's direct intervention for His purposes. They existed for a time, then went extinct. These remarkable creatures walked erect They also possessed limited intelligence and emotional capacity. Such characteristics allowed them to employ crude tools and even adopt a low level of "culture," much as baboons, gorillas, and chimpanzees do. But while the hominids were created by God's command, they were not spiritual beings made in His image. This status was reserved for human beings.”
“Furthermore, the RTB model treats hominids as analogous to, yet distinct from, the great apes. For this reason, the model predicts that anatomical, physiological, biochemical, and genetic similarities existed among hominids and human beings to varying degrees. But because the hominids were not made in God's image, they are expected to be noticeably different from humans, as reflected by their cognitive and communicative capacities, behavior,"technology," and "culture."”
“The RTB model maintains that while human beings reflect God's image in their activities,hominids did not. The model asserts that humans are uniquely spiritual and hominids were not. The archeological record associated with hominid fossils supplies key data to evaluate this prediction.” Fazale Rana and Hugh Ross, Who Was Adam?, (
Those hominid animals were the first to the following things. references available at http://home.entouch.net/dmd/chron.htm
35 kyr fossil collecting Arcy-sur-Cure Homo sapiens neanderthalensis47
35 kyr oldest star chart Germany ?177
35 kyr European cave painting Fumane Cave Italy ?142
36 kyr bitumen glue Umm el Tlel, Syria ?48
36 kyr Neandertal necklace Arcy-sur-Cure, France Homo sapiens neanderthalensis155
39 kyr cave painting Carpenter's Gap Austral. Archaic Homo sapiens49
43-67 kyr 7 note diatonic musical scale Divje Babe I, Slovenia Homo sapiens neanderthalensis 50,51
45 kyr Neanderthal flute Divje Babe I, Slovenia Homo sapiens neanderthalensis51
47 kyr successful surgical amputation Shanidar, Iraq Homo sapiens neanderthalensis52
47 kyr spelunking in dark cave Bruniquel, France Homo sapiens neanderthalensis154
50 kyr shaman's cape Hortus, France Homo sapiens neanderthalensis53
53 kyr Oldest flued hearth Capellades, Spain Homo sapiens neanderthalensis124
60 kyr Neanderthal hut/tent Molodova, Russia Homo sapiens neanderthalensis54
68 kyr Murder by spear Shanidar, Iraq Homo sapiens neanderthalensis55
70 kyr European Rock art La Ferrassie, France Homo sapiens neanderthalensis188
70-80 kyr Neanderthal art, pseudoVenus Wildenmannlisloch, Switz.Homo sapiens neanderthalensis56
70-80 kyr musical instrument-flute Haua Fteah, Libya Homo sapiens neanderthalensis57
73 kyr use of coal for fire Les Canalettes Homo sapiens neanderthalensis58
80 kyr First fingerprint Konigsaue, Germany Homo sapiens Neanderthalensis59
80 kyr anoxic chemistry--birch glue Konigsaue, Germany Homo sapiens Neanderthalensis59
80 kyr Neanderthal bone tool Regourdou, France Homo sapiens neanderthalensis61
80 kyr religious sanctuary Drachenloch, Switzerland Homo sapiens neanderthalensis62
90-100 kyr whistles Prolom II, Crimea archaic Homo sapiens63
110 kyr underground mining Lion Cave, Swaziland ?64
110-130kyr Neanderthal spear Lehringen, Germany Homo sapiens neanderthalensis65
120 kyr 2nd oldest H. sapiens footprint Langebaan, S.A Homo sapiens141
130 kyr burial Krapina, Croatia Homo sapiens neanderthalensis66
130 kyr food processors various archaic Homo sapiens67
140 kyr over-horizon sailing Australia archaic Homo sapiens68
140 kyr Shellfish exploitation Italy Homo sapiens neanderthalensis69
160 kyr European blade tools England Belgium Homo sapiens neanderthalensis70
200 kyr Oldest Ostrich Shell Beads el Greifa E archaic Homo sapiens186
200 kyr post hole Lunel-Viel archaic Homo sapiens71
200 kyr Neanderthal bedding Lazaret, France Homo sapiens neanderthalensis72
200 kyr Neandertal living floor Grotte d'Aldene Homo sapiens neanderthalensis73
230 kyr human dung Terra Amata, France Homo erectus?74
240 kyr upper Paleolithic blade tools Kenya ?75
240-700kyr woodworking Gesher Benot Ya'aqov,Isr.Homo erectus76
250 kyr Invention of Mousterian tools Vaufry Cave, France ?77
300 kyr geometric engraving Pech de l'Aze Homo erectus78
300 kyr Siberia peopled-clothing needed Diring Yuriakh ?79
300 kyr jewelry various Homo erectus80
>300 kyr ritual corpse disposal Atapuerca, Spain archaic H.s.81
330 kyr Depiction of human form Berekhat Ram, Israel Homo erectus/archaic H.s82
>350 kyr stone wall Bhimbetka, India archaic H.s/Homo erectus83
>350 kyr Oldest rock engraving Bhimbetka, India a.H.s/Homo erectus138
350 kyr Oldest grave goods Atapuerca, Spain a. Homo sapiens172
350 kyr Oldest footprint of genus Homo Italy a. Homo sapiens179
355 kyr Oldest human footprints Roccamonfina, Italy archaic H.sapiens 170
3-400 kyr European huts Bilzingsleben, Germany Homo erectus84
3-400 kyr paved social area Bilzingsleben, Germany Homo erectus85
3-400 kyr oldest evidence of counting Bilzingsleben, Germany Homo erectus86
3-400 kyr oldest religious altar Bilzingsleben, Germany Homo erectus87
3-500kyr third oldest art Tan-Tan, Morocco a.Homo sapiens180
3-500 kyr oldest evidence of coloring Tan-Tan, Morocco a.Homo sapiens187
400 kyr wooden spear Schoningen, Germany Homo erectus88
400 kyr 3 component composite tools Schoningen, Germany Homo erectus89
400 kyr tools made by other tools Schoningen, Germany Homo erectus90
400 kyr wooden boomerang Schoningen, Germany Homo erectus91
465 kyr 500 degree C fire Menez-Dregan, France Homo erectus165
500 kyr case of syphilis Tangshan, China Homo erecuts146
500 kyr mineral collection Zhoukoudian, China Homo erectus92
500 kyr man and canine assoc. Zhoukoudian, China Homo erectus93
500 kyr Asian fire Zhoukoudian, China Homo erectus94
600 kyr scalping Bodo, Ethiopia Homo erectus95
600 kyr oldest Britain inhabitant Sussex, England Homo erectus152
700 kyr ocean travel Flores, Indonesia Homo erectus96
750 kyr European fire Escale Cave, France Homo erectus97
780 kyr nut cracking and nut crackers Gesher Benot Ya'aqov,Isr.Homo erectus158
800 kyr Asian hand ax Renzidong, China Homo erectus121
800 kyr Oldest home base Gesher Benot Ya'aqov,Isr.Homo erectus159
8-900kyr H erectus bedding Wonderwork Cave, S. A. Homo erectus98
970 kyr European structure Soleihac Cave Homo erectus?99
1.0 MYR tanning hides Swartkrans, South Africa Homo erectus100
1.0 MYR Oldest habitation of India Isampur, India Homo erectus150
1.0 MYR Oldest European Guadix-Baza, Spain Homo erectus151
1.0 MYR possible oldest nutcracking Olduvai Gorge, Tanzania Homo erectus159
1.2-1.4 MYR 2nd Oldest art/symbolism Kozarnika, Bulgaria Homo erectus185
1.36 MYR Asia north of 40o Lat.occupied Nihewan Basin, China Homo erectus123
1.4 MYR ritual dismemberment of Human Sterkfontein, S. Africa Homo erectus139
1.4 MYR oldest Acheulian hand axe WestNatron, Tanzania Homo erectus160
1.5 MYR evidence of fire Swartkrans South Africa H. erectus A.robustus102
1.5 MYR woodworking Koobi Fora, Kenya Homo erectus103
1.6 MYR oldest representational art Olduvai Gorge Homo erectus?104
1.6 MYR 480 degree C fire Olduvai Gorge Homo erectus167
1.6 MYR working with animal hides Swartkrans, S. A. A. robustus105
1.6 MYR bone tool
Yet Ross and Rana say all this is done by animals. And inspite of the data above, they make this bold faced, false assertion.
“Although the fossils possess some features in common with modem human anatomy, they also display features not typically seen in people. The skull walls of these specimens are thicker than those observed for human beings. Their faces are broader and the areas above the eye sockets are much thicker. Based on anatomy alone, these hominids appear to be distinct from modem humans and could be thought of as nonhuman, bipedal primates that predated humankind.”
“The archeological record supports this categorization. Artifacts associated with the fossils recovered in
It is utterly false what I have bolded. And the thickest skull on record is that of a Viking who lived in Iceland in about 900 AD. Someone hit him with an ax in the head, and it didn't break the skull.
And they make the amazing assertion that fishing is related to the Image of God:
“The hunting practices of the first humans also showed greater sophistication than those of Middle Stone Age hominids (as seen at sites in southern
They seem unaware that Tasmanians made the same crude tools that they say are indicative of being non-human. They seem unaware that the Tasmanians also didn't fish. They seem unaware that Tasmanian technology was so poor that it was actually compared with Chimpanzee tool making abilities. By Rana and Ross' criteria, Tasmanians are not human. I think they are.
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Another resource from a more conservative perspective is:
Who Was Adam? [B0501]
A Creation Model Approach to the Origin of Man
by Rana and Ross, 2005
Pattle.P.T.Pun, Ph.D.
Professor of Biology,
Wheaton College,
Wheaton, IL 60187
phone: 630-752-5303
fax: 630-752-5996
email: pattle.p.pun@wheaton.edu
http://www.wheaton.edu/Biology/faculty/ppp/web/index.html
>>> "Travis Marler" <tmarler@hotmail.com> 6/1/2006 12:23 PM >>>
Thank you for your reply, Keith, as well as Moorad and David. I will
definintely look into the books mentioned!
Travis
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