RE: Hebrew University researchers uncover eight previously unknown species

I am not sure who believes in a Creator who created all that there is just as they are now. Obvious observations indicate that within existing animals and plants, there is all sort of tinkering that can be done to create variations, whether man-made or Nature-made. The saying "use it or lose it" is applicable to the human brain, as well as, to any animal originally with sight that lives in total darkness for a long period.

 
Moorad

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu on behalf of Janice Matchett
Sent: Wed 5/31/2006 1:45 PM
To: Dick Fischer; ASA
Subject: RE: Hebrew University researchers uncover eight previously unknown species

At 01:12 PM 5/31/2006, Dick Fischer wrote:

        Hi Janice,
         
        "Blind scorpions" is one proof of evolution. Living for millions of years in total darkness, eyesight was jettisoned as unnecessary. The creationist must argue that God specially created blind creatures just to live in caves.

@ They've discussed that on Free Republic, and they are also talking about the coloration of one of the unique crustacean species found in the cave which is pictured here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1641207/posts

These are some of the comments:

Seems the default coloration when coloration is not an evolutionary advantage (like in a pitch black cave) is icky, pasty, white.

I wonder if coloration is "expensive" evolutionarily.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1641207/posts?page=12#12 MeanWestTexan <http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1641207//~meanwesttexan/>

I think the point of losing pigment is just that there's no penalty in failing to keep it. For most animals, if you subtract pigmentation evolved for camouflage, display, or whatever, the base material is some kind of pale greyish translucent protien, maybe pinked up with a little blood supply showing through.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1641207/posts?page=15#15 VadeRetro <http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1641207//~vaderetro/>

"I think the point of losing pigment is just that there's no penalty in failing to keep it."

Oh, I agree that's why it's not "bad" in a dark cave.

But I would just think the default would be to stay whatever color the species was when it wandered into the cave.

I mean, why the consistent change?

Instead of just staying whatever color, cave dwellers --- worldwide --- end up icky, pasty, white.

I would think that there would have to be: (A) an actual advantage in losing pigment or (B) icky, pasty, white is a dominent gene related to something else good, but being-eaten keeps the color-part of the gene from being expressed more often in nature.

Very curious.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1641207/posts?page=22#22 MeanWestTexan <http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1641207//~meanwesttexan/>

~ Janice

Unique Underground Ecosystem: Eight Previously Unknown Species [Hebrew Univ]
<http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1641207/posts> Hebrew University of Jerusalem ^ | 31 May 2006 | Staff (press release)
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        Item of interest to those who haven't seen it yet, but are interested in the history of ancient bodies of water in the Middle East ~ Janice
        
        Hebrew University researchers uncover eight previously unknown species
        <http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1641160/posts> EurekAlert! News ^ | May 31, 2006 | Staff http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-05/thuo-hur053106.php
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