Re: A profound disturbance found in Yak butter.

--- glennmorton@entouch.net wrote:

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Hi David,
>>>Hi Glenn, thanks for the response. My overall comment -- it seems odd to me
that you attack my position as "self-referential" but you applaud Phil's
comments. I think Phil and I largely are on the same page (Phil, correct me if
I'm wrong). My views on epistemology at this point in my life lean towards a
Reformed presuppositional position with some elements of a coherency view.<<<<
 
Glenn: I may be wrong, but I simply don't see your last answer, or this one
either anywhere near Phil's position

Well, I may be wrong as well, but I see David's and Phil's viewpoints as having
a lot in common.
Glenn: I don't understand your earlier response to my post. I will reiterate
that to my mind you pulled a switch: you complained about the Scriptures not
accurately rendering history and nature -- your implication being "how am I
going to use the Scriptures to win an unbeliever to Christ if what they say
about history and nature is full of inaccuracies?" Then Phil remarks that

Phil:
In a message dated 5/27/2006 10:19:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dopderbeck@gmail.com writes:
But the gift and assurance of faith ultimately comes from the Holy Spirit and
not from evidence.
I think that this is the only epistemology that Scripture affirms. I think
that the picture given us all through the Bible is that God meets us
personally, speaks to us personally, and proves Himself to be in our lives
personally. There is never an equation or a scientific validation available to
prove the faith -- we either rely on God being there for us and then He really
shows up and meets us, or we have nothing. Apologetics is the icing on the
cake, but not the cake itself. The cake is entirely the experience of
interacting with God personally and discovering that He really is there. My
own faith is weak when I don't pray and I don't have much experience of God
meeting me and surprising me often. But when I have been really sanctified in
my heart and really sought Him with all my heart, then He has always been
there. That's the real reason I believe -- not science or history or logic.

and you say "this is the most honest answer I have seen"

Frankly, I'm glad you did pull a switch -- at least this particular one. While
the Bible is pretty accurate on ancient history (yes, I know it's not perfect
in the view of some archaeoloogists, but my understanding is that it's been
right more often than otherwise, and the otherwise instances are
controversial), that's not what brings people to Christ. The Holy Spirit brings
people to Christ. Our role is to set a Christian example by living a Godly
life, to pray for the unbeliever, and to witness to him. Leave the
controversial stuff for later. If an unbeliever wants to argue about the
controversial stuff, that's an indication he isn't ready to accept Christ.

Bill Hamilton
William E. Hamilton, Jr., Ph.D.
248.652.4148 (home) 248.821.8156 (mobile)
"...If God is for us, who is against us?" Rom 8:31

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Received on Mon May 29 17:17:10 2006