RE: Apparent Age: Rethinking Creatio ex Nihilo

I haven't had much time to go over this yet, but I do think you have a
point: the current analogy isn't very clear on the zero-time aspect (nor,
perhaps, is the description of zero-time itself). I hope to come up with a
description which better describes what we observe of causality/time (and,
most importantly, what defines a singularity capable of forming zero-time)
-- suggestions are welcome!

However, I think the underlying argument there is still solid. All I'm
trying to argue is that (a) things must appear to follow a continuum of
cause and effect extending back either infinitely or to a zero-time and (b)
that YEC-order creation could not have been at a zero-time (and hence some
form of apparent age would have been unavoidable at YEC-order creation).

-Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Greaves [mailto:pgreaves@surewest.net]
Sent: Tuesday, 23 May 2006 4:21 AM
To: Josh Klose; asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: Apparent Age: Rethinking Creatio ex Nihilo

> More comments below:
> >
> > Aren't you referring to something very like causal zero-time? It's
already
> > included in the domino analogy (and the law of apparent age). That said,
I
> > don't think the suggestion of changing colour is particularly clear for
> > this
> > analogy (compared to the illustration of changing spacing between
> > dominos).
> > Just because the domino can't get any blacker doesn't mean the whole
> > causal
> > order couldn't continue -- there could be another domino, it just
wouldn't
> > be any blacker. This is because causal zero-time can only occur when the
> > entire system is seen to collapse. Colour isn't an attribute which
forces
> > an
> > end to the row like domino spacing.
> >
> Perhaps the colour analogy isn't the best... but I was having trouble with

> your spacing one also. I was searching for something analogous to (for
> example) density of matter in the [expanding] universe, tracing it back to
a
> beginning of infinite density. It would seem difficult (impossible?) to
> trace density further back than infinite... that would seem meaningless...

> but I suspect there is a better analogy possible in any case.
Received on Wed May 24 22:03:10 2006