RE: Apparent Age: Rethinking Creatio ex Nihilo

Dave, I'm not telling you anything like that. I'm not trying to argue a
certain reading of Genesis or a certain interpretation of the scientific
data. Please don't confuse this with other YEC viewpoints. As far as I know,
there are no "folks who join [me]" at the moment -- I'm arguing a viewpoint
which hasn't really been argued much since Gosse. And I don't think anyone
has argued it in this way before.

I ask what a YEC type creation would look like if it occurred. My conclusion
is that one should expect a generally causally consistent apparent age (see:
http://www.hlfallout.net/~josh/apparent_age.pdf). If the evidence points to
such a causally consistent past, then that is entirely consistent with my
expectations based on YEC. Now, my expectations could be wrong (and the
arguments for them flawed), but that's what I'm trying to test!

-Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. [mailto:dfsiemensjr@juno.com]
Sent: Monday, 22 May 2006 3:27 PM
To: mrbond@hlfallout.net
Cc: pgreaves@surewest.net; asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: Apparent Age: Rethinking Creatio ex Nihilo

Consider: your fried Richard Roe comes to you with a proposal that you
invest in New Creation bonds, headed by John Jones. New Creation has been
paying excellent returns, Roe says. You find it true. But you look into
it further. Roe seems to be honest, convinced that he's onto a good
thing, and wants you to share his good fortune. However, you look into
things further. New Creation is only two years old. As you investigate
further, you find that Jones was indicted for fraud in another state and,
as part of a plea deal, served only three years of what could have been a
much longer sentence. He's still on probation for that conviction. Will
you invest of, concluding that Roe has been suckered, report the offer to
the DA?

Josh, you tell me that God's truth is that the universe is 6000 years
old. God has told you so and it's the truth. But almost everybody that
looks into the evidence sees a universe 13 Gy old, a solar system 5 Gy
old, galaxies whose light has been on the way for millions and billions
of years, sorted deposits on earth giving a history of development for
living things. The folks who join you in saying the earth is young now
say that the data from radioisotope dating looks old, but a couple
miracles 6000 and 4300 years ago make it look that way. But George Murphy
has proved that the scheme they cite to carry away the incredible amounts
of heat produced by cramming Gy in radiation into a day and a year
respectively won't work. Do you accept "God's truth" or declare it a lie?
Looks to me as though you want God to be as crooked as Jones but truthful
at the same time.
Dave
Received on Mon May 22 19:54:28 2006