Re: ID and YEC in Switzerland and "Thousands not Billions"

Peter,
I was reminded of another strong evidence that the earth is older, at
least than the flood. There is a bristlecone pine in California that they
refer to as the Methuselah pine, the oldest living thing for which we
have solid evidence. It's over 4700 years old. This brought a claim from
ICR that bristlecone pines could have double-ring years--400 since the
flood, 10%. But I don't think there was any attempt to demonstrate 11
rings every 10 years. The chronology now goes back over 8500 years in
California, requiring every year to be a double-ring year back to the
time of the flood. If, as creationists claim, there was an ice age
following the flood, growth should have slowed radically, with rings
omitted.

I visited the bristlecones many years ago. I was especially fascinated by
one tree that seemed to be trying to grow a board. There was a 3 or 4 cm
strip of bark on one edge of an expanse of bare wood a couple decimeters
wide and a few centimeters thick.

Closer to your home is a fully anchored chronology based on river oak
trees from South Germany (from the Main and Rhine rivers) which extends
back more than 10,000 years. Apparently the trees were growing in situ
before the earth was created. I didn't realize the extent of the miracles
involved.

I'm sorry that I didn't try to locate the journal reports.
Dave
Received on Sat May 20 16:33:07 2006