Re: Dembski theodicy

*However, there
would still be injury to property -- wind damage if the dikes hold, which
would
in turn cause hardship for humans.*

Perhaps, but the question is whether that property damage would cause real
human suffering. Would we even have notions of private property of the sort
that we now have in a world without sin? If we lived in perfect community
with each other and with God, would losing one's dwelling in an earthquake
be a tragedy?

*If you read either "The Privileged planet" or "Rare earth" you find that
all
> four authors believe -- and provide strong evidence to support their
belief --
> that life as we know it would not be possible on a planet without plate
> tectonics.*

Yes, I agree. In my experience, most armchair YEC's don't realize that
their understanding of the original state of creation destroys any sort of
argument from design. More serious YEC's do realize this, which I think is
one of the main reasons they distance themselves (sometimes) from ID /
design arguments.

On 5/11/06, Bill Hamilton <williamehamiltonjr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> --- David Opderbeck <dopderbeck@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Perhaps a more productive way consider things like hurricanes and
> > earthquakes is to separate the happening of such events from their
effects
> > on human beings. We could conceive of a world in which such events
would
> > happen in the ordinary course of nature, but human beings would not
suffer
> > because of their happening. Partly this could result from perfect
justice,
> > communication and cooperation among humans. For example, hurricane
Katrina
> > would not have wiped out the impoverished and de facto racially
segregated
> > neighborhoods in New Orleans because poverty and segregation would not
> > exist, there would be no corruption relating to hurricane-safe building
> > codes, government officials would respond effectively with evacuation
plans,
> > and so on. Partly this also could result from perfect fellowship and
> > communication between humans and God, such that God could communicate
> > directly with a fully responsive community about how to prepare for such
> > events. In other words, sin didn't change ordinary natural processes so
> > much as it destroyed the perfect community and fellowship among humans,
and
> > between humans and God, that would have precluded any human suffering
> > resulting from those events. For anyone more deeply read on theodicy,
is
> > there any strand of theodicy that proceeds along similar lines?
> >
> I grant that if all aspects of society were perfect -- no corruption re
> building codes, sound engineering and maintenance of dikes, excellent
> communications -- then injury to humans could be prevented. However,
there
> would still be injury to property -- wind damage if the dikes hold, which
would
> in turn cause hardship for humans.
>
> If you read either "The Privileged planet" or "Rare earth" you find that
all
> four authors believe -- and provide strong evidence to support their
belief --
> that life as we know it would not be possible on a planet without plate
> tectonics.
>
>
> Bill Hamilton
> William E. Hamilton, Jr., Ph.D.
> 248.652.4148 (home) 248.303.8651 (mobile)
> "...If God is for us, who is against us?" Rom 8:31
>
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Received on Thu May 11 20:31:32 2006