RE: ID and YEC in Switzerland and "Thousands not Billions"

Of possible interest:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/helium/zircons.html

http://gondwanaresearch.com/rate.htm

Jim Hofmann

-----Original Message-----
From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu on behalf of Randy Isaac
Sent: Sat 5/6/2006 2:50 PM
To: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: ID and YEC in Switzerland and "Thousands not Billions"
 
The book edited by Vardiman is supposed to contain the technical reports
submitted to the Nov 2005 RATE conference. I have ordered it for the record
because of all the questions I've received about it.
Roman Miller is considering devoting some part of the PSCF to addressing the
key issues but that would be a few issues in the future.
I can send you some comments offline when I get the book.

Randy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Ruest" <pruest@mysunrise.ch>
To: <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 1:44 PM
Subject: ID and YEC in Switzerland and "Thousands not Billions"

> Dear ASA friends
>
> Last Thursday, there was a discussion about ID on radio ERF
> (Evangeliumsrundfunk) hosted by a VBG (Swiss InterVarsity) initiative.
> There
> were three participants: one pastor (YEC), one philosopher of religion
> (advocating something like a Christian version of Gould's non-overlapping
> magisteria), and I was asked to substitute for ID (they couldn't find any
> ID
> advocate here; the host presented me as an OEC). I think I gave a fair
> presentation of ID's concerns, but I was also asked to give a critical
> evaluation.
>
> Today I received an angry email from an active YEC, who was upset by my
> very
> uncompromising support of an old Earth. He attached a German 3-page
> summary of
> the results of the RATE project of the American YECs, presented in:
> - Don DeYoung, Thousands. not Billions, Challenging an Icon of Evolution,
> Master
> Books, 2005, 190 pp., Green Forest, AR 72638, USA
> - L. Vardiman et.al. Radioisotopes and the Age of The Earth, 2005, 876
> pp.,
> Volume 2, ICR, El Cayon, CA 92021-0667, USA
>
> Now my question to you: Have any of you read one or both of these books?
> And if
> so, can you give me a short summary of the most egregious errors in their
> reasoning? As far as I see from the summary the YEC man sent me, there
> must be
> plenty wrong with these books. Frankly, I am not much motivated to read or
> even
> buy any of them.
>
> For the time being, I just responded with some short remarks about the
> independence of dating from the theory of evolution, about the
> distribution of
> radioactive isotopes on Earth (which ones are absent?), about the controls
> integrated into all radioactive dating methods (or external controls with
> C-14),
> and about the full corroboration of the geological time sequence by the
> radioactive dating methods developed later.
>
> I'm sure some of you specialists with dating methods and/or critical YEC
> evaluation can give me some helpful tips, without going out of your way. I
> would
> be very thankful!
>
> Blessings,
> Peter
>
> --
> Dr. Peter Ruest, CH-3148 Lanzenhaeusern, Switzerland
> <pruest@dplanet.ch> - Biochemistry - Creation and evolution
> "... the work which God created to evolve it" (Genesis 2:3)
> "... my sons... and my daughters..., everyone..., whom I
> created... formed... evolved." (Isaiah 43:6-7)
>
>
>
Received on Sat May 6 18:20:40 2006