Re: God and Time

The first two paragraphs are naive, omitting the simple condition that
the originator of time-space-matter is not within what he originated. To
put God somehow within the 4 dimensions means that he is material,
perhaps. since we don't know what it is, dark matter. Maybe God is dark
energy. Such nonsense can be extended indefinitely.

The Second Person entered space-time as fully human, with all the
restrictions of human existence, but is different in the resurrection
body. Paul indicates the difference between a natural or /psychikos/ body
and a spiritual or /pneumatikos/ body. Neither of these has anything to
do with angelic existence. One must not confuse the eternal infinite
Spirit with created finite ministering spirits capable of leaving their
first estate.
Dave

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:01:11 -0600 "Jon Tandy" <tandyland@earthlink.net>
writes:
I would like to suggest a little nuance to the statement "God is outside
our spacetime".

How do we know that God doesn't exist, to some degree, in our 4
dimensions of space and time? By this I mean, let's assume that God is
multidimensional. For sake of argument, let's say He possesses the 10
dimensions required by string theory, plus at least one more dimension of
a spiritual character that puts Him outside the reach of complete
scientific investigation. Those 11 dimensions include the 4 with which
we are familiar, which means that "in a sense" God might be temporal, if
temporal means simply possessing characteristics of our known dimensions.
 But He is not temporal, because He is not limited to those.

Jesus in resurrected (immortal) state walked on earth, built a fire and
ate fish. Jesus in resurrected state showed the nail prints in his hands
and feet and they could be felt. But in this same state, he was able to
enter the room through a closed door. The angel in Daniel was delayed in
our dimension of time because of engaging in spiritual warfare. This
indicates to me that God and spiritual beings exhibit both temporal
characteristics (at times) and extra-temporal characteristics, that
theories such as string theory would predict for multidimensional beings,
so He is not bound by the temporal but He is not wholly separate from it
either.

Jon Tandy

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Subject: RE: God and Time

Sometime ago I indicated that the best way to somewhat comprehend how God
views His creation is the way we do in relativity theory when we draw a
Minkowski 4-dimensional spacetime diagram. The worldlines indicate
viewing whole histories of entities at an instant. God is not temporal
but He is outside our spacetime.

Moorad
Received on Fri Mar 31 18:19:29 2006