Re: No more political propaganda ...

Well, I think Janice's recent post emphasises her agenda; pasting in copies
of supposedly left-wing sympathetic posts to ASA that dangerous lefties such
as George and Burgy have placed in there, and then stating that she'd lurked
a long time and "researched" before joining (presumably to keep an eye on
these dangerous individuals). One would have thought we were still in the
McCarthy era!

Of course, the perfect antidote to the list being "Freeped" like this ( look
it up on the wikipedia entry on Free Republic if you don't know what it
means). That's to read with delight the lyrics of Bob Dylan's "Talking John
Birch Paranoid Blues", which was first introduced to me by a good friend of
mine (actually my "best man") who has been a life-long committed Christian
and Socialist. Find them at:

http://bobdylan.com/songs/birch.html

Enjoy!

Iain

On 3/23/06, Dick Fischer <dickfischer@verizon.net> wrote:
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> Hi Iain, you wrote:
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> "It would appear that Janice is a political agitator for the Republican
> party, and I'd like to state here that I don't think that posting
> political propaganda is an appropriate use of a forum for the sober and
> scholarly discussion of science/faith issues."
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> I think that what one "is" or does for a living should be disassociated
> from what one believes in their heart, and whoever subscribes to our
> Christian beliefs and our statement of faith is welcome to be part of our
> discussion as long as what they post has relevance to science and/or
> Christianity. (Terry you can add your comments here.)
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> They do have debates on the Free Republic list on ID verses evolution
> similar to ours, though perhaps a little less charitable at times. So I
> don't think where we get our information is all that important. Heck,
> some of you post comments from AIG and ICR, and those organizations are
> warts on the backside of Christianity. (In my humble opinion, of course.)
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> Dick Fischer
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> ~Dick Fischer~ Genesis Proclaimed Association
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> Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History
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> www.genesisproclaimed.org
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Iain Strachan
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:07 AM
> *To:* George Murphy
> *Cc:* Carol or John Burgeson; asa@calvin.edu; Janice Matchett
> *Subject:* No more political propaganda on ASA please !! (was Re: Fw: Get
> to know a ...)
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> On 3/21/06, *George Murphy* <gmurphy@raex.com> wrote:
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> A new low in childish language for this list. Janice, are you ever going
> to grow up?
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> Shalom
> George
> http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/ <http://web.raex.com/%7Egmurphy/>
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> George,
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> I sympathise entirely.
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> I initially thought I wouldn't post this, as it's off the topic of
> Science/Faith discussion, but I think I will now just to let people know
> what they're dealing with.
>
> Most of Janice's posts seem to be drawn from the freerepublic.comwebsite. As a UK citizen, I didn't know what this was (maybe it's
> well-known in America). But I decided to investigate with the help of
> Google. ( Apparently there's a new term "goo-diligence" been coined ;-).
>
> It would appear that Janice is a political agitator for the Republican
> party, and I'd like to state here that I don't think that posting political
> propaganda is an appropriate use of a forum for the sober and scholarly
> discussion of science/faith issues.
>
> I found the following statement from Jim Robinson, who is the founder of
> "Free Republic". It shows precisely where she is coming from. Any democrat
> supporters on this list will probably find the following deeply repugnant
> and offensive. I also want to point out that this has nothing to do with my
> own political affiliations - at the moment in the UK I vote for the
> Conservative party, though I have been a floating voter. Here is the
> statement from Jim Robinson:
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>
> This may be found at:
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103363/posts
>
> *Statement by the founder of Free Republic:*
>
> In our continuing fight for freedom, for America and our constitution and
> against totalitarianism, socialism, tyranny, terrorism, etc., Free Republic
> stands firmly on the side of right, i.e., the conservative side. Believing
> that the best defense is a strong offense, we (myself and those whom I'm
> trying to attract to FR) support the strategy of taking the fight to the
> enemy as opposed to allowing the enemy the luxury of conducting their
> attacks on us at home on their terms and on their schedule.
>
> Therefore, we wholeheartedly support the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive
> strikes on known terrorist states and organizations that are believed to
> present a clear threat to our freedom or national security. We support our
> military, our troops and our Commander-in-Chief and we oppose turning
> control of our government back over to the liberals and socialists who favor
> appeasement, weakness, and subserviency. We do not believe in surrendering
> to the terrorists as France, Germany, Russia and Spain have done and as
> Kerry, Kennedy, Clinton and the Democrats, et al, are proposing.
>
> As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family,
> pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government,
> pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national
> defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism,
> socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government
> enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko
> environmentalism, judicial activism, etc. We also oppose the United Nations
> or any other world government body that may attempt to impose its will or
> rule over our sovereign nation and sovereign people. We believe in defending
> our borders, our constitution and our national sovereignty.
>
> Free Republic is private property. It is not a government project, nor is
> it funded by government or taxpayer money. We are not a publicly owned
> entity nor are we an IRS tax-free non-profit organization. We pay all
> applicable taxes on our income. We are not connected to or funded by any
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> accept no paid advertising or promotions. We are funded solely by donations
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> We aggressively defend our God-given and first amendment guaranteed rights
> to free speech, free press, free religion, and freedom of association, as
> well as our constitutional right to control the use and content of our own
> personal private property. Despite the wailing of the liberal trolls and
> other doom & gloom naysayers, we feel no compelling need to allow them a
> platform to promote their repugnant and obnoxious propaganda from our forum.
> Free Republic is not a liberal debating society. We are conservative
> activists dedicated to defending our rights, defending our constitution,
> defending our republic and defending our traditional American way of life.
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> Our God-given liberty and freedoms are not negotiable.
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> May God bless and protect our men and women in uniform fighting for our
> freedom and may God continue to bless America.
>
> Jim Robinson
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> But to be fair to both sides, if an avid democrat posted propaganda for
> their viewpoint in the same manner that Janice has (quote bombing from a
> propaganda web site), then I would equally object. This is a forum for
> debate of Science/Faith issues, not for ramming unwelcome political views
> down peoples' throats.
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> Iain
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> *From:* Janice Matchett <janmatch@earthlink.net>
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> *To:* Carol or John Burgeson <burgytwo@juno.com> ; asa@calvin.edu
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2006 12:03 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: Fw: Get to know a ...
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> At 06:02 PM 3/19/2006, Carol or John Burgeson wrote:
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> *"..Shoot -- I even have Republican friends! They, too, don't wear
> horns."*
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> @ RINOS do have horns.
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> "Lincoln Chafee (R) is a genuine mental midget among mental retards in the
> United States Senate."
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> Per my post with much more detail, here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600090/posts?page=25#25
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> ~ Janice
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