ASA - March 2006: Creationism to be taught on GCSE science sylla

From: Janice Matchett <janmatch@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon Mar 13 2006 - 11:45:07 EST

NOTE: This is the second try. I'm re-sending this because it hasn't
shown up on the list since I sent it over two hours ago.

In light of recent discussions, some of you may be interested in the
two comments I've linked you to below, which are in a thread that was
origionally posted on 3/9/06. Comments are still continuing today
(3-13-06) and the thread has been transferred into what is called
"the smoky back room" because the conversation has become very heated. :)

~ Janice

Creationism to be taught on GCSE science syllabus
The Times of London ^ | 10 March 2006 | Tony Halpin
Posted on 03/09/2006 9:55:14 PM EST by Greg o the Navy

AN EXAMINATIONS board is including references to "creationism" in a
new GCSE science course for schools.

[snip]

To: Sola Veritas; RHINO369; PatrickHenry

Yes, it does mean that all humans today decended from the 4 couples
on the Ark (Noah and wife plus 3 sons and their wives). That would
ensure sufficient genetic diversity to account for all current races
and ethnic groups.

ROFL!!!! No, sorry, this is complete horse manure. You have
absolutely no clue about the enormous amount of genetic diversity in
the human population:

<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16124863&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_DocSum>The
patterns of natural variation in human genes

The abstract begins: "Currently, more than 10 million DNA sequence
variations have been uncovered in the human genome. "

There is absolutely no freaking way that five people (Noah's sons
don't count, they wouldn't have had any alleles that Noah and his
wife didn't already have) could carry "sufficient genetic diversity"
to account for modern humanity, period. Any population bottleneck
that tiny would have had *very* obvious effects on human genetics for
millions of years thereafter (if humanity had survived at all -- such
bottlenecks can cause extinction due to severe inbreeding), which
quite simply are not what we find when we look at the human genome.

However, I doubt that answer will satisfy you.

Well, yeah, because we're not in the habit of being satisified by
utter bull***t.

547 posted on 03/12/2006 8:06:07 AM EST by Ichneumon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1593585/posts?page=547#547

[Note: If you click on the screen name Icnnemon's in the thread, it
will take you to his profile page here]:
http://www.freerepublic.com/~ichneumon/

To: Elsie; RHINO369

How do you explain black, Chinese, native American people having
totally different features? OH... probably the same way the AKC does
when they award trophies to various different looking wolf
descendants each year.

Sorry, no, that doesn't help answer the question, unless you can
figure out how to manage to produce the wide diversity of dog breeds
from an original breeding population as small as five dogs, with the
attendant lack of genetic diversity.

548 posted on 03/12/2006 8:08:59 AM EST by Ichneumon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1593585/posts?page=548#548