Re: Fwd: Judge Jones sided with the Discovery Institute and ruled against the Dove...

George -- what do you make of Romans 1:20: "For since the creation of the
world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have
been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are
without excuse." The principle that men are without excuse because God's
nature is revealed to everyone through creation has been central to
Christian theology and apologetics since the first century. It isn't an
invention of the Enlightenment.

On 1/2/06, George Murphy <gmurphy@raex.com> wrote:
>
> There is some truth in your initial statement but the citation of I Cor.1:18-31 doesn't support
> it. The idea that science should be able to give evidence for God
> independent of faith is a notion of natural religion, not Christianity.
> OTOH the message of the cross, that God & God's saving work are revealed
> under the form of their opposite suggests that God's action in the world
> should be hidden.
>
> Shalom
> George
> http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* jack syme <drsyme@cablespeed.com>
> *To:* dopderbeck@gmail.com ; D. F. Siemens, Jr. <dfsiemensjr@juno.com>
> *Cc:* pimvanmeurs@yahoo.com ; asa@calvin.edu
> *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2006 8:01 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Judge Jones sided with the Discovery Institute and
> ruled against the Dove...
>
>
> I think that Pim is making a mistake if he thinks that the judges'
> decision in this case is "neutral".
>
> Lets not lose sight of the big picture. It is too often assumed that
> those proposing ID in school, are doing so out of a misconception that
> teaching evolution will inevitably lead to atheism. But there is also no
> doubt that in general, educators, the judiciary, and the media has an
> anti-religious, and specifically anti-Christian bias. It is this bias that
> ID proponents are fighting against. This decision, which was probably too
> broadly written, could make it easier for those opposed to Christianity to
> make public school curricula too restricted by making any teaching that even
> hints at anything religious, unconstitutional.
>
> Let's not forget, this anti-Christian bias is NOT because of the behavior
> of the ID proponents. This anti-Christian bias is because of the prideful,
> sinful mind of men that fail to see the truth of the Gospel.
>
> I cor 1:
> "*18* For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are
> perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. *19* For
> it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing
> the understanding of the prudent." F1<http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=1co+1&version=nkj&showtools=0#F1>
> *20* Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this
> age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? *21* For since, in
> the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God
> through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
> *22* For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; *23* but we
> preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks
> F2<http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=1co+1&version=nkj&showtools=0#F2>foolishness,
> *24* but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power
> of God and the wisdom of God. *25* Because the foolishness of God is wiser
> than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. *26* For you see
> your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many
> mighty, not many noble, are called. *27* But God has chosen the foolish
> things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak
> things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; *28* and
> the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has
> chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that
> are, *29* that no flesh should glory in His presence. *30* But of Him you
> are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God--and righteousness
> and sanctification and redemption-- *31* that, as it is written, "He who
> glories, let him glory in the Lord." F3<http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=1co+1&version=nkj&showtools=0#F3>
>
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Received on Mon Jan 2 10:13:58 2006