Re: Directed evolution: evidence for teleology?

Right on, George. I should want to say to Johnson, "O ye of little faith!"

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "George Murphy" <gmurphy@raex.com>
To: "Ted Davis" <tdavis@messiah.edu>; <asa@calvin.edu>;
<chris.barden@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Directed evolution: evidence for teleology?

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ted Davis" <tdavis@messiah.edu>
> To: <asa@calvin.edu>; <chris.barden@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 1:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Directed evolution: evidence for teleology?
>
>
>>>>> Chris Barden <chris.barden@gmail.com> 10/14/05 10:56 AM >>>quotes Phil
>> Johnson as follows:
>>
>> "Is the evolutionary creationism of Denis Lamoureux different from
>> what I have just described as theistic naturalism? It might seem so,
>> because he endorses teleological evolution ... On closer examination,
>> however, it appears that the 'teleology' part is entirely subjective
>> and has no more scientific content than the 'theism' in theistic
>> evolution. What exactly did God do (beyond establishing the laws at
>> the beginning of time) and how do we know that he actually did it?"
>>
>> This is to me the single most troubling aspect of ID--and I speak
>> (obviously) as someone more sympathetic to ID than most here. If we
>> replace
>> the words "evolutionary creationism of Denis Lamoureux" with the words
>> "prayer life of X" (fill in that blank with any Chrisitian you want to
>> name)
>> and make appropriate substitutions elsewhere in the paragraph, then I
>> think
>> we get right to the heart of the issue.
>
> & even more directly to Johnson's claim: The most basic teleological
> claim that Christians (presumably including Johnson) make is the second
> coming of Christ and the full establishment of the kingdom of God - & how
> much "scientific content" is there for that? With all of Johnson's
> flailing away at naturalism he apparently doesn't realize that he's
> succumbed to the notion that the natural sciences provide the only valid
> way of knowing reality.
>
> Shalom
> George
> http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
>
Received on Fri Oct 14 15:13:34 2005