Re: Stereotypes and reputations

Pim:

Here are some samplings of places to start in the literature. I've listed a
few categories and citations (with some quotes) below. There are many more
problems with common descent about which evolutionists are more reticent
(non homologous development pathways, ORFans, massive convergence, for
instance)

--Cornelius

No universal ancestor:

Carl Woese, "The universal ancestor," Proceedings of the National Academy of
Sciences USA 95 (1998): 6854. "Phylogenetic incongruities can be seen
everywhere in the universal tree, from its root to the major branchings
within and among the various taxa to the makeup of the primary groupings
themselves"

W. Ford Doolittle, "The nature of the universal ancestor and the evolution
of the proteome," Current Opinion in Structural Biology 10:355-358, 2000.

Morphological and molecular data do not fit well:

Trisha Gura, "Bones, molecules...or both?" Nature 406 (2000):230-233.

Peter J. Lockhart and Sydney A. Cameron, "Trees for bees," Trends in Ecology
and Evolution 16 (2001): 84-88.

Alan Feduccia, "'Big bang' for tertiary birds?," Trends in Ecology &
Evolution, Volume 18, Issue 4 , April 2003, Pages 172-176. The growing gap
between molecular analyses and the fossil record "is astounding."

Mitochondrial sequences do not fit common descent:

Michael Balter, "Morphologists Learn to Live with Molecular Upstarts,"
Science 276 (1997):1034. Mitochondrial DNA provide a statistically
high-confidence phylogeny that "was clearly the wrong answer."

Michael S. Y. Lee, "Molecular phylogenies become functional," Trends in
Ecology and Evolution 14 (1999): 177-178.

David P. Mindell, Michael D. Sorenson, and Derek E. Dimcheff, "Multiple
independent origins of mitchondrial gene order in birds," Proceedings of the
National Academy of Sciences USA 95 (1998): 10693-10697.

Ying Cao, Axel Janke, Peter J. Waddell, Michael Westerman, Osamu Takenaka,
Shigenori Murata, Norihiro Okada, Svante Pääbo, and Masami Hasegawa,
"Conflict Among Individual Mitochondrial Proteins in Resolving the Phylogeny
of Eutherian Orders," Journal of Molecular Evolution 47 (1998): 307-322.

Photosynthetic bacteria do not fit common descent:

Jason Raymond, et. al., "Whole-Genome Analysis of Photosynthetic
Prokaryotes," Science 298 (2002): 1616-19.

We need to "relax tree-thinking":

E. Bapteste, E. Susko, J. Leigh, D. MacLeod, R.L. Charlebois and W.F.
Doolittle, "Do orthologous gene phylogenies really support tree-thinking?,"
BMC Evolutionary Biology, 2005, 5:33.

> Please explain.
>
> Cornelius Hunter wrote:
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>> George:
>>
>> Actually, it is not true that there is "no real scientific controversy"
>> regarding #3. There is substantial evidence against this and
>> evolutionists are recognizing this.
>>
>> --Cornelius
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Received on Sat Jul 30 22:03:00 2005