Janice wrote:
>>In one sense you are using an "emotional" example when you seem to be equating ID proponents solely with extremist fundamentalist YECs. Is this an "entirely innocent" mistake on your part? <<
It is not an emotional example. I will defend the assertion that the ID folks don't really want to listen any more than the YECs do. The YECs have wanted me to become an atheists or agnostic for years. Russ Humphreys and AIG both characterized me as an apostate. Given that, I see little difference between what they did and what Phil Johnson asked me once. He asked me why I didn't go on and become an atheist.
Just try to correct a factual error on the part of Hugh Ross. See how far you get.
You seem to think that the YECs are different in their ability to change their beliefs than are the ID folk. I have had numerous run-ins with Hugh Ross who seems to ignore everything anthropological in order to hold to his beliefs. INdeed, he believes that there is absolutely zero speciation, inspite of the evidence for speciation in the laboratory.
Thus, far from being an emotional argument or example, my use of ID is purely from personal experience with them.
>>ID got off the ground because people like Alvin Plantinga http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/arn/odesign/od181/methnat181.htm
signed off on the effort and forced Wayne Carley, executive director of the NABT to remove some language that was too explicit in stating their naturalistic philosophy. ie: They excised the key words "unsupervised" and "impersonal" from their creed, technically allowing for the possibility that a personal, intelligent creator designed life. Carley admitted that the change was made because they wanted "to avoid taking a religious position." That is an admission that demonstrates the truth that the association's original platform - like Darwinism itself - exceeds purely scientific conclusions, and embraces distinctly religious ideas. (Scientism) Source: http://www.biblicalcreation.org.uk/theology_philosophy/bcs089.html
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Frankly, I think you have your history wrong. The ID movement got started by Charles Thaxton, Walter Bradley and Roger Olson in 1986 when they published their book.. It continued with Pandas. Both books were published by a friend of mine, John Buell. John was far more instrumental in starting the ID movement than most people are aware. This was the mid 1980s, not late 1998 as you claim with your 1998 source. Shoot, Phillip Johnson was publishing in 1991.
Please get your facts right before making assertions.
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