RE: ICR; June 2005

I am posting this for anyone who might want answers.

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> 1 Galaxies wind up "too fast."

Hugh Ross might fall out of his chair as I quote him favorably in this
regard:
"The argument based on evidence H overlooks the continuing research by
Prendergast and others. In the years following his initial computer
modeling efforts, Prendergast discovered that ongoing star formation
stabilizes the spiral structure. Specifically, he demonstrated that as long
as new stars continue to form at a significant rate within a galaxy, the
spiral structure will be maintained. But as soon as star formation ceases,
the spiral structure will collapse within the next two or three rotations.
        "Prendergast's discovery beautifully dovetails with astronomer's
observations of galaxies. In spherical and ellipsoidal galaxies,
astronomers see no evidence of ongoing star formation, whereas in the spiral
galaxies such evidence is abundant. And, the farther away astronomers look
(that is, the farther back in time they see), the more spiral galaxies they
observe.
        "In the vicinity of our galaxy only 6 percent of the galaxies are
spirals; at a distance of some 4 billion light years (4 billion years ago),
30 percent of all galaxies are spirals, and at 10-billion-light-years
distance (10 billion years ago),about half of all the galaxies are spirals.
This pattern is exactly what astronomers would expect in a universe some 15
to 18 billion years old. According to their models, the galaxies would form
at approximately the same time, and as the galaxies age, more and more of
their gas and dust condenses into stars. Eventually all of the gas and dust
is consumed and star formation ceases, bringing about the collapse of the
spiral structures. Thus, as the universe gets older, fewer galaxies will
remain as spirals.
         Since spiral galaxies still exist, the universe cannot be any older
than about 25 billion years. Because only 6 percent of the galaxies near
our own are spirals, the universe cannot be any younger than about 12
billion years."
 ~ Hugh Ross, Creation and Time, (Colorado Springs: NavPress, 1994), p.
112-113.

        "If one looks at a galaxy in which star formation continues to take
place, those regions where massive stars have recently been born should
stand out from the other regions like the lights on a Christmas tree on a
dark night. This is exactly what we see. The bright spiral arms that one
sees in most pictures of galaxies are exactly those regions in which star
formation is now taking place. These regions, lit up by the bright young
stars, form the characteristic swirling patterns that we associate with the
spiral galaxies.
        "This is one of those amazing and simple facts that all astronomers
know which seems to have failed to filter out to the general public. Those
beautiful spiral patterns that one sees in pictures of galaxies are not, in
most cases, the patterns of where the stars are. In many cases, if one
looked at a picture of where the stars are actually distributed, one would
not see a spiral pattern. The spirals are only the regions in which new
stars are currently being formed. As a result, while it is true that spiral
galaxies rotate, it is not true that the spiral structure, which is only the
trace of the process of star formation, rotates with the stars of the
galaxy. Instead, observations suggest that it moves through the galaxy,
dissolving and reforming on scales somewhat slower than the rotation of the
galaxy." Lee Smolin, Life of the Cosmos, (New York: Oxford University Press,
1997), p.120-121
> 2 Too few supernova remnants
> 3 Comets disintegrate too quickly. The Oort cloud is unobserved.

I have a picture of how many totally NEW comets are found each year. This
destroyes that argument. See
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=276087&postcount=1

> 4 Not enough mud on the sea floor

This one is answered at http://home.entouch.net/dmd/erosion.htm

> 5 Not enough sodium in the sea

This one is answered at http://home.entouch.net/dmd/salt.htm
There is a limited amount of salt which can go into the ocean and they never
ever talk about that.

> 6 The earth's magnetic field is decaying too fast

Ignores the fact that a dynamo can create a reversing magnetic field
Glatzmaier and Roberts 1995. Nature 377:203-209 and ibid., Physics of the
Earth and Planetary Interiors 91:63-75

> 7 Many strata are too tightly bent
> 8 Biological material decays too fast
> 9 Fossil radioactivity shortens geologic "ages" to a few years
> 10 Too much helium in minerals
> 11 Too much carbon in deep geologic strata

Yeah, there sure is too much carbon in the geologic strata for it to
represent the remains of a single pre-flood biosphere

petroleum nonreservoir 200 x 10^18 g carbon
Petroleum reservoir 1 x 10^18 g carbon
Coal 15 x 10^18 g carbon
Carbonate rocks 51,000 x 10^18 g carbon
living things .3 x 10^18 g carbon
J.M. Hunt, ""Distribution of Carbon in Crust of Earth,
p. 22
http://home.entouch.net/dmd/toomanyanimals.htm

> 12 Not enough Stone Age skeletons

Have they never heard of the word 'decay'? Burials are only an artifact of
sedentary farming societies.

     "Returning to the disposal of the body, hunters regard this as a means
of isolating the dead person's spirit, but it may be isolated for either of
two reason, to get rid of it entirely or to limit its activities so that it
may be used. The concept stated above greatly widens the range of disposal
techniques. The easiest way is simply to abandon the body at the place of
death, and to avoid returning to that spot until the disturbance is over,
usually after several years, when the dead person's spirit has had time to
go away. The Mbuti Pygmies used to abandon it before they were taught by
the Negro villagers to bury their dead. The Veddas of Ceylon, who lived in
rock shelters during the rainy season, did the same. They had so many
shelters available that they could afford to leave some of them unoccupied
until the remains had disappeared. In tropical rain forests insects and
animals make short work of bodies, and if they are buried or covered with
earth, the lateritic soil is so acid that bones may disintigrate in less
than a year. In 1965, I excavated a cave in a diamond-mining concession in
Sierra Leone and found no bones at all, although the soil was full of stone
implements and chips. A schoolteacher stationed there told me that she had
once buried a dead dog to get its skeleton for use in her zoology class, and
when she dug it up a year later even the bones had rotted away.
"In other climates people who camp in the same places at least once a year
could hardly follow this practice, nor could those who live in permanent or
semipermanent villages. Where there are plenty of caves and rock crannies,
or hollow trees, these apertures are natural depositories, and frquently
used. Where firewood is abundant, cremation is a quick and dramatic
solution, particularly if the ground is frozen in winter and burial at that
time is out of the question. Another easy method is to secure the body high
up in a tree.
     "But however hunting and gathering peoples dispose of bodies they
usually do so individually in separate places, for graveyards are an
artifact of sedentary life. The Maidu of California had special burning
grounds, and the Nootka deposited some of their dead on mortuary islets,
towing the bodies out to them in unmanned canoes. The Eskimo of Nunivak
Island buried their dead in shallow graves, about a quarter of a mile away
from their villages. In these burial places skulls and long bones could be
seen lying about where they had been disinterred to make room for new
bodies. These Eskimo have no fear of corpses or old bones, once the proper
rituals have been performed, and, in fact, they formerly made use of parts
of bodies as amulets to help them in hunting." ~ Carleton S. Coon, The
Hunting Peoples, (Boston: Little, Brown and Co., 1971), p. 331-332

> 13 Agriculture is too recent

When was it supposed to have been invented?

> 14 History is too short

When was writing supposed to be invented?
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