Re: ASA, ID, Blogs and my observations

Glenn wrote:
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>I absolutely agree that the evidence of design is not to be found in anti-evolutionism.nbsp; Christian apologetics is entirely stuck in two HUGE ruts. The first and biggest is antievolutionism. The second is the view that the Bible can't say anything except theological things about the world. The ID folk are irrationally anti-evolutionist.nbsp; If one views the world as a system designed to bring us about, one can see it all the way from the initial conditions of the universe to the way evolution works.nbsp; We are planned, just not planned in the way that the anti-evolutionist ID folks want to hear about.
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Of course one can come up with a reasonable picture of
the universe in which God is not an add on and we are
a product of a well designed system as a whole. But
that's different from taking the assertive position
that "we have the facts and you punks better listen".

I'm not even sure it is possible to prove that scientism
is false, although taken to the reductio ad absurdum,
it might be. I surmise that the best we could aim for a
philosophical position, but that is basically weak
compared to the assertive grandstanding that politics
relies on.

I accept your scolding me about not standing up for
some form of design, and complaining about a letter
in Nature, but that is different from really finding
some solid ground to stand on. I think the position
of religion is very weak, and that is the first thing
we have to admit. We cannot offer a mechanism that
people can test, and we cannot detect what is not
material. There is some way to work around historical
evidence, but the events are not reproducible in a
way we can test. It does not necessarily mean we are
wrong to believe in God and the resurrection, but neither
can we go out there shouting "turn or burn".
 

 There is no proof, but there IS evidence.nbsp; As to Paley, I like what an author of a book I recently read said.nbsp; If one finds a watch in the field one certainly has the right to ask who designed the watch making factory!nbsp; God designed the evolutionary system--the factory which makes us--the watches.
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You have a point. Howard Van Till put it bluntly as an
issue of sovereignty. _Who_ writes the rules: the
molecules or God?

By Grace alone we proceed,
Wayne
Received on Wed May 25 08:05:37 2005