Re: "timeline" (Re: Kansas Closing arguments)

Moorad
How many times do we have to say that no given scenario is assumed. I don't
know where you get your ideas from but they are simply utterly wrong and
mistaken.

Michael
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From: "Alexanian, Moorad" <alexanian@uncw.edu>
To: "George Murphy" <gmurphy@raex.com>; "Michael Roberts"
<michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk>; "Keith Miller" <kbmill@ksu.edu>;
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Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 5:44 PM
Subject: RE: "timeline" (Re: Kansas Closing arguments)

George,

I do not want to belabor the point. Nevertheless, forensic science is just
as much and no less historical science than cosmology, evolutionary theory,
etc. There is no difference whatsoever. One always supposes/assumes a given
scenario and goes about to prove it or to discard it.

Moorad

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From: George Murphy [mailto:gmurphy@raex.com]
Sent: Fri 5/20/2005 11:55 AM
To: Alexanian, Moorad; Michael Roberts; Keith Miller; asa@calvin.edu
Subject: "timeline" (Re: Kansas Closing arguments)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexanian, Moorad" <alexanian@uncw.edu>
To: "George Murphy" <gmurphy@raex.com>; "Michael Roberts"
<michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk>; "Keith Miller" <kbmill@ksu.edu>;
<asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 5:07 PM
Subject: RE: Kansas Closing arguments

> How should we then speak of the Big Bang? As assumed? Extrapolated from
> present data? Believed? Supposed? Don't we assume/propose/suppose
> theories in physics and deduce logically from them?

Of course we assume things. We (or at least I) assume, e.g., that general
relativity is true until we run into phenomena that suggest that it may not
be. But that's a very different thing from an "assumed timeline." As I
pointed out earlier, the timeline in relativistic cosmologies has varied by
an order of magnitude over the last 70 years. In fact in the 20s & 30s the
age of the universe was thought by many to be on the order of _trillions_ of
years on the basis of Jeans' work on stellar motions.
Cosmologists have no "assumed timeline" in the sense of an /a priori/
timetable into which observational data is forced.

Give it up Moorad. It just isn't there.

Shalom
George
http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
Received on Fri May 20 13:48:31 2005