RE: teaching evolution & creation science in public schools...

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> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu
> [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of bpayne15@juno.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 11:45 PM
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> In the most recent ICR (Institute for Creation Research)
> Impact Article 381, John Baumgardner opened with: "An ongoing
> enigma for the standard geological community is why all the
> high mountain ranges of the world-including the Himalayas,
> the Alps, the Andes, and the Rockies-experienced most of the
> uplift to their present elevations in what amounts to a blink
> of the eye, relative to the standard geological time scale.
> In terms of this time scale, these mountain ranges have all
> undergone several kilometers of vertical uplift since the
> beginning of the Pliocene about five million years ago. This
> presents a profound difficulty for uniformitarian thinking
> because the driving forces responsible for mountain building
> are assumed to have been operating steadily at roughly the
> same slow rates as observed in today's world for at least the
> past several hundred million years."
>
> Baumgardner also discusses the plane surfaces that existed
> before the mountains rose, and offers a mechanism to drive
> the uplift. Of course, it all supports Flood geology. The
> complete article is at:
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So, is it OK to teach science that supports the Bible, or should such
data be rejected?

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Bill,
Baumgardner gets so many facts wrong.  First, the Himalayas have been
being uplifted for much longer than " since the beginning of the
Pliocene about five million years ago."
The Himalayas have began uplifting 30 million years ago.
http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=5852267
Also, Baumgardner's crazy theory won't explain the older mountain range
which lies beneath the Himalayas:
***
Scientists find half-billion-year-old ancestral mountains in the
Himalaya
September 23, 2003
The world's highest and most spectacular mountains, the Himalaya of
Nepal, India, and Bhutan, are built on the foundations of a much older
mountain system, University of Arizona geoscientists have discovered. 
They have dated rocks that show Earth's mightiest range is predated by
ancestral mountains that existed in the same area between 450 million
and 500 million years ago, long before India began plowing northward
into Asia 55 million years ago. 
Their findings not only revise ideas on the region's tectonic history,
they offer new insight on connections between uplift of the Himalaya
during the past 55 million years and simultaneous global shifts in
seawater chemistry and climate. "
http://www.brightsurf.com/news/sept_03/EDU_news_092303_b.php
***
Nor will Baumgardner's flood theory explain why there is Cambrian to
Permian sediment along the Atlantic margin BEFORE the continental break
up. Baumgardner has the rapid plate tectonics be the cause of the flood,
yet half of the geologic column is deposited BEFORE the breakup.  He
inconsistently believes that all the geologic column is due to the
flood.  He was asked about this in 1986 at the ICC by David Tyler.  He
didn't have an answer. He still doesn't.
His theories are illogical.