RE: James Kennedy and his YEC teachings

Thanks for sharing this. I'd never seen this interpretation before.

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of Stephen J.Krogh, P.G.
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:22 PM
To: Mike Tharp; 'gordon brown'; 'John and Carol Burgeson'
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Subject: Re: James Kennedy and his YEC teachings

The "tail like a cedar," which creationists think indicates a large
dinosaur, is not even a real tail. "Tail" when used in conjunction with
"stones" was used as a euphemism in the King James version. A more likely
translation for the phrase is, "His penis stiffens like a cedar" (Mitchell
1987). The behemoth was probably a bull, and the cedar comparison referred
to its virility. Is that the characteristic of a cedar that Job was
comparing it to? The behemoth was probably a bull, and the cedar comparison
referred to its virility. Other possibilities for the behemoth are a
hippopotamus, a rhinoceros, and an elephant. Of these, the hippopotamus and
the elephant like to be near water, and the hippopotamus lives the closest
to the Middle East.

  1.. Mitchell, 1987. The Book of Job. North Point Press, San Francisco, CA.
Cited in Pennock, Robert, Tower of Babel, p. 217.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Tharp" <mtharp@exammaster.com>
To: "'gordon brown'" <gbrown@euclid.colorado.edu>; "'John and Carol
Burgeson'" <burgytwo@juno.com>
Cc: <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 12:15 PM
Subject: RE: James Kennedy and his YEC teachings

> Even some of my liberal commentaries point out that hippopotamus is most
> likely not an appropriate translation for behemoth, which is described as
> having a "tail like a cedar." One commentary suggests an elephant, with
the
> "tail like a cedar" describing its trunk.
>
> Descriptions in Job of both behemoth and leviathan sound unlike any
creature
> we can currently identify. Could they be creatures now extinct? I think
> that's a possibility. Or perhaps these were descriptions of mythical
beasts
> that never existed but were merely conjured by man's imagination? I would
> say unlikely but, again, a possibility.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
> Behalf Of gordon brown
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 12:18 PM
> To: John and Carol Burgeson
> Cc: asa@calvin.edu
> Subject: Re: James Kennedy and his YEC teachings
>
> The most obvious interpretation of behemoth and leviathan is that they are
> the hippopotamus and crocodile. I think this is traditional. These are
> given in the margin of my NASB as alternative translations. This is
> another example of YECs bypassing the obvious meanings of a passage in
> order to claim support for their pseudoscience.
>
> Gordon Brown
> Department of Mathematics
> University of Colorado
> Boulder, CO 80309-0395
>
>
> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, John and Carol Burgeson wrote:
>
> > I was challenged to back up my claim that the revered and famous James
> > Kennedy might be (gasp) a YEC advocate.
> >
> > I heard him preach once on the YEC view while driving through Texas;
that
> > was a few years ago. Eugenie Scott identifies him as such in her latest
> > book "Evolution vs Creationism." But I could have been mistaken. So I
> > went to his web site for a look.
> >
> > The obvious link is:
> >
> > http://www.coralridge.org/imp/impact030511.aspx
> >
> > Here is part of what Kennedy says:
> >
> > CSI to Go Digging for Dinosaurs
> >
> > Dinosaurs are a hit with young and old. At any museum around the world
> > you will always find a crowd where the dinosaur bones are exhibited. And
> > now those dull bony skeletons are being replaced with new animatronic
> > models that roar. The American Museum of Natural History in New York
City
> > will launch a new exhibit in May that will seek to answer the question:
> > "What did dinosaurs look like with skin on?" and "How did they move?"
> > ...
> >
> > Behemoth
> > The Bible also speaks of dinosaurs. God paints a great picture of a
> > gigantic dinosaur in his conversation with Job in Job 40. He asks Job to
> > look at the "behemoth," a word equivalent to what we call "dinosaur,"
and
> > tells Job that the dinosaur was contemporaneous with man, having been
> > "made along with you" (Job 40:15). This expression indicates that man
and
> > dinosaur coexisted together. The universal appeal of dinosaurs is
> > recognized in God's description of the dinosaur. He told Job they "rank
> > first (chief) among the works of God" (Job 40:19).
> > The lessons to be learned from dinosaurs in museums, movie
theatres,
> > and the news media differs sharply from what the Bible presents. Public
> > educators teach children that dinosaurs evolved over millions of years,
> > and lived long before man. "It is an absolute tragedy that God made
> > dinosaurs to attract us to Him, and now they are used to divert our
> > attention away from Him and towards the evolutionary thinking," said Tom
> > DeRosa, Executive Director of the Creation Studies Institute. "These
> > creatures of magnificent stature and great variety demonstrate
excellence
> > in all areas, and had one basic purpose, and that was to draw us to our
> > loving Creator."
> >
> > Montana Dig
> > CSI will help restore a right appreciation of dinosaurs, July
25-29,
> > when it sponsors a Dinosaur Dig in Glendive, Montana. This event, open
to
> > the public, offers participants the opportunity to join Otis Kline and
> > Joe Taylor, expert creation paleontologists, and Tom DeRosa to
experience
> > the thrill of excavating the Hell Creek Formation in the Badlands of
> > Montana. ... Participants will not only be taught paleontology from a
> > creationist viewpoint during the day, but will also be taught in the
> > evenings how to "Stand Firm on Genesis." CSI's primary goal for this
> > Dinosaur Dig is to strengthen and equip Christians with a unique,
> > hands-on experience-giving our Creator all the glory.
> >
> > Burgy
> >
>
Received on Thu Mar 3 18:14:51 2005