RE: have we forgotten who the enemy is?

In a message dated 2/19/2005 5:23:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Glenn Morton" <glennmorton@entouch.net> writes:

[mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of RFaussette@aol.com
>> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 8:25 AM

rich:
Yes, but that was long ago. The Enlightenment and Marxism
also militated against traditional forms, with Marxism
responsible for millions of Christian martyrs and destroyed
churches.

Glenn:
One can't divorce the present from the past in the way you are trying.

rich:
You have to read the post. I didn't divorce the present from the past. I mentioned two more recent massive movemements that have had far more impact on the destruction of Christianity than social Darwinism and were not even considered in the discussion.

Glenn:
If the earlier church had dealt more honestly it very will might have been that people like  Huxley wouldn't have been so influential and damaging to the faith.  It might not have been that when H. G. Wells went to college, he might not have been as influenced by Huxley. It just seems to me that we are partly responsible for the state of affairs in which we find ourselves.

rich:
I'm glad you take some responsibility.

glenn:
As to signing up for different boards, I regularly read but don't post on several atheistic boards.  One I post on occasionally is Infidels.org.

rich:
I said boards with scientists, not atheists and gave a specific example. You will get nowhere with atheists. They're in the ascendancy because they are getting financial support from dedicated Marxists. Have you looked at the trememdous financing of legal cases against Christian mores by people like George Soros?

glenn:
There is also a real documented shift by social
scientists away from traditional forms in the '60s at the
same time as the sexual revolution which is also a move away from traditional behaviors. Given these subsequent massive ideological movements, YEC and ID are insignificant artifacts of an earlier age. I'm on Ian Pitchford's evolutionary psychology list of 3300 scientists. They scoff at YEC and ID but interestingly display an active animus against
Christianity, with the main complaint that it is responsible
for 2,000 years of Jewish misery.

glenn:
Well, they are right in some sense. Christians have not behaved in a very friendly manner to all sorts of peoples.  Look at how the Christian Spanish treated the Native Americans. It took 3 papal statements to include them in the human family.  

rich:
Small groups of exploring Spanish conquistadors found an ancient and religiously barbaric people who practiced human sacrifice. The Spanish found peoples who ripped the hearts out of their sacrifical victims. If they hadn't had superior technology, their hearts would eventually have been ripped out of them. I'm not a Boas/Mead fan and don't believe in the inherent peace and love of all cultures. Do you know how brutal it was for the Spanish to live under the Moors and the Jews during the Islamic occupation that immediately preceded the period of Spanish exploration? As soon as Bartolomeo De Las Casas arrived he began working for the freedom of the indigenous Americans. You read too much liberal criticism of European colonization. It is the Jews (conversos) who eventually dominated the slave trade in South America. Would you bash them for that, or are you more circumspect when other religions besides Catholicism are implicated? The Spanish conquest was more compassionate than!
 Biblical colonization:
"The land which you are entering and will possess is a polluted land, polluted by the foreign population with their abominable practices, which have made it unclean from end to end.Therefore do not give your daughters in marriage to their sons, and do not marry your sons to their daughters, and never seek their welfare or prosperity. Thus you will be strong and enjoy the good things of the land, and pass it on to your children as an everlasting possession."

glenn:
A significant percentage of social scientists are Jewish and hold this position. If you want to know the intellectual climate, join more lists other than those populated by your colleagues, post Christian positions and wait for your responses. I attended the Human Behavior and Evolution Society's annual conference in the year 2000 at Amherst. Pinker, Dawkins and Wright presented.
Robert Trivers was there.

glenn:
I have been on a list run by Farrell Till for a while. I was the only Christian on that list at the time.  The hostility was incredible, so don't lecture me about seeing things I have already seen.

rich:
That remark was inappropriate. You simply don't display current knowledge on religious studies from an anthropological or psychological perspective. You may see the hostility toward Christianity but its major source is a mystery to you.
Is Moynihan right or wrong? Did the social science revolution of the '60s contribute to the cultural morass we have today? Of course, and who controlled and still controls the social science departments in most major universities?
Do you know? I'll give you a hint. They're not Catholics or Protestants.

rich faussette
Received on Sun Feb 20 12:03:31 2005