Re: selective citation

Does the deceit apply to evolution or to Harun Yahya? I would say the
latter.

Michael
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From: <drsyme@cablespeed.com>
To: "Michael Roberts" <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk>;
<drsyme@cablespeed.com>; "Vernon Jenkins " <vernon.jenkins@virgin.net>;
<asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: selective citation

> Yea sorry I pasted it twice.
>
> It is from Harun Yahya from "The Evolution Deceit"
>
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:57:33 -0000
> "Michael Roberts" <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >Yeah, you gave it twice but no reference. Just one leetle
> >question. How come
> >there was lots of violence before Darwin? If what this
> >quote says is true
> >then there was no violence before 1859.
> >
> >Some things are too risible to comment on
> >
> >Michael
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <drsyme@cablespeed.com>
> >To: "Michael Roberts" <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk>;
> >"Vernon Jenkins "
> ><vernon.jenkins@virgin.net>; <asa@calvin.edu>
> >Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:22 PM
> >Subject: Re: selective citation
> >
> >
> >> Here is another interesting quote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Darwinism and Terrorism
> >>
> >> As we have so far seen, Darwinism is at the root of
> >> various ideologies of violence that have spelled
> >>disaster
> >> to mankind in the 20th century. The fundamental concept
> >> behind this understanding and method is "fighting
> >>whoever
> >> is not one of us."
> >>
> >> We can explain this in the following way: There are
> >> different beliefs, worldviews and philosophies in the
> >> world. It is very natural that all these diverse ideas
> >> have traits opposing one another. However, these
> >>different
> >> stances can look at each other in one of two ways:
> >>
> >> 1) They can respect the existence of those who are not
> >> like them and try to establish dialogue with them,
> >> employing a humane method. Indeed, this method conforms
> >> with the morality of the Qur'an.
> >>
> >> 2) They can choose to fight others, and to try to secure
> >> an advantage by damaging them, in other words, to behave
> >> like a wild animal. This is a method employed by
> >> materialism, that is, irreligion.
> >>
> >> The horror we call terrorism is nothing other than a
> >> statement of the second view.
> >>
> >> When we consider the difference between these two
> >> approaches, we can see that the idea of "man as a
> >>fighting
> >> animal" which Darwinism has subconsciously imposed on
> >> people is particularly influential. Individuals and
> >>groups
> >> who choose the way of conflict may never have heard of
> >> Darwinism and the principles of that ideology. But at
> >>the
> >> end of the day they agree with a view whose
> >>philosophical
> >> basis rests on Darwinism. What leads them to believe in
> >> the rightness of this view is such Darwinism-based
> >>slogans
> >> as "In this world, the strong survive", "Big fish
> >>swallow
> >> little ones", "War is a virtue", and "Man advances by
> >> waging war". Take Darwinism away, and these are nothing
> >> but empty slogans.
> >>
> >> Actually, when Darwinism is taken away, no philosophy of
> >> 'conflict' remains. The three divine religions that most
> >> people in the world believe in, Islam, Christianity and
> >> Judaism, all oppose violence. All three religions wish
> >>to
> >> bring peace and harmony to the world, and oppose
> >>innocent
> >> people being killed and suffering cruelty and torture.
> >> Conflict and violence violate the morality that God has
> >> set out for man, and are abnormal and unwanted concepts.
> >> However, Darwinism sees and portrays conflict and
> >>violence
> >> as natural, justified and correct concepts that have to
> >> exist.
> >>
> >> For this reason, if some people commit terrorism using
> >>the
> >> concepts and symbols of Islam, Christianity or Judaism
> >>in
> >> the name of those religions, you can be sure that those
> >> people are not Muslims, Christians or Jews. They are
> >>real
> >> Social Darwinists. They hide under a cloak of religion,
> >> but they are not genuine believers. Even if they claim
> >>to
> >> be serving religion, they are actually enemies of
> >>religion
> >> and of believers. That is because they are ruthlessly
> >> committing a crime that religion forbids, and in such a
> >> way as to blacken religion in peoples' eyes.
> >>
> >> For this reason, the root of the terrorism that plagues
> >> our planet is not any of the divine religions, but in
> >> atheism, and the expression of atheism in our times:
> >> "Darwinism" and "materialism."
> >>
> >>
> >> Darwinism and Terrorism
> >>
> >> As we have so far seen, Darwinism is at the root of
> >> various ideologies of violence that have spelled
> >>disaster
> >> to mankind in the 20th century. The fundamental concept
> >> behind this understanding and method is "fighting
> >>whoever
> >> is not one of us."
> >>
> >> We can explain this in the following way: There are
> >> different beliefs, worldviews and philosophies in the
> >> world. It is very natural that all these diverse ideas
> >> have traits opposing one another. However, these
> >>different
> >> stances can look at each other in one of two ways:
> >>
> >> 1) They can respect the existence of those who are not
> >> like them and try to establish dialogue with them,
> >> employing a humane method. Indeed, this method conforms
> >> with the morality of the Qur'an.
> >>
> >> 2) They can choose to fight others, and to try to secure
> >> an advantage by damaging them, in other words, to behave
> >> like a wild animal. This is a method employed by
> >> materialism, that is, irreligion.
> >>
> >> The horror we call terrorism is nothing other than a
> >> statement of the second view.
> >>
> >> When we consider the difference between these two
> >> approaches, we can see that the idea of "man as a
> >>fighting
> >> animal" which Darwinism has subconsciously imposed on
> >> people is particularly influential. Individuals and
> >>groups
> >> who choose the way of conflict may never have heard of
> >> Darwinism and the principles of that ideology. But at
> >>the
> >> end of the day they agree with a view whose
> >>philosophical
> >> basis rests on Darwinism. What leads them to believe in
> >> the rightness of this view is such Darwinism-based
> >>slogans
> >> as "In this world, the strong survive", "Big fish
> >>swallow
> >> little ones", "War is a virtue", and "Man advances by
> >> waging war". Take Darwinism away, and these are nothing
> >> but empty slogans.
> >>
> >> Actually, when Darwinism is taken away, no philosophy of
> >> 'conflict' remains. The three divine religions that most
> >> people in the world believe in, Islam, Christianity and
> >> Judaism, all oppose violence. All three religions wish
> >>to
> >> bring peace and harmony to the world, and oppose
> >>innocent
> >> people being killed and suffering cruelty and torture.
> >> Conflict and violence violate the morality that God has
> >> set out for man, and are abnormal and unwanted concepts.
> >> However, Darwinism sees and portrays conflict and
> >>violence
> >> as natural, justified and correct concepts that have to
> >> exist.
> >>
> >> For this reason, if some people commit terrorism using
> >>the
> >> concepts and symbols of Islam, Christianity or Judaism
> >>in
> >> the name of those religions, you can be sure that those
> >> people are not Muslims, Christians or Jews. They are
> >>real
> >> Social Darwinists. They hide under a cloak of religion,
> >> but they are not genuine believers. Even if they claim
> >>to
> >> be serving religion, they are actually enemies of
> >>religion
> >> and of believers. That is because they are ruthlessly
> >> committing a crime that religion forbids, and in such a
> >> way as to blacken religion in peoples' eyes.
> >>
> >> For this reason, the root of the terrorism that plagues
> >> our planet is not any of the divine religions, but in
> >> atheism, and the expression of atheism in our times:
> >> "Darwinism" and "materialism."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
Received on Thu Feb 17 09:52:59 2005