Re: have we forgotten who the enemy is?

From: Dick Fischer <dickfischer@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed Feb 16 2005 - 22:21:30 EST

Jack Syme wrote:

Dick Fisher wrote:

"However, due to the misguided, protracted efforts of creationist organizations, the Bible is being tied to an errant interpretation.  Abusing science in the process, they then foist the entire package on the 'willingly ignorant.'"

I assume you are talking about YEC here, is that the case?

Yes.

 This is a problem admittedly, but this is not a problem caused by ID as far as I can tell.

ID proponents just abuse hard working biologists and promote an attitude of anti-scientism.  Further, they pave the wave to question the reliability of all scientific methods.

  I am not sure how much harder this makes our job, because any scientfically minded skeptic would already have dismissed the "abused science" of creationism.  As far as this effect on our fellow Christians who have been taught this misguided notion of science, well that is unfortunate, but how important is it really, as long as they understand and accept the Gospel?

It impairs their credibility to state the case for Christianity when it is obvious they have patently obvious errors in their understanding.  YEC labels the Christian as a blithering idiot and not to be trusted.

"So what does TE contribute to the problem of
resolving Bible-science conflict?"

It at least gets us in the door.  If we can show to a nonbeiliving scientist that there is design in the universe, that you cant have this universe as it is, you cant have humans as they are, without a designer, then you can at least get them to the point that Christianity is possible.  After they are at least theists, then it is the Gospel that has to do the work from there.

The Big Bang is about as conclusive evidence as I can imagine for a Creator.  "Designer" is not a word I would use. 

"He doesn't need to "intervene" in His own creation. It is His creation from the get go. How closely or intimately He supervises the process by which the creation unfolds is the issue."

If by intervening you mean God acting outside of normal physical laws, then he has to intervene from time to time, in order for the Bible to be true.  If you dont want to accept any other miracle that is in the Bible, you have to accept that there was a supernatural resurrection of Christ in order to be Christian.  Without that, Christianity is meaningless.

What make the resurrection special is that it is completely out of the ordinary.  Now ID proponents want to make it just another commonplace occurrence since God apparently imposes on nature all the time.

Dick Fischer  - Genesis Proclaimed Association
Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History
www.genesisproclaimed.org
Received on Wed Feb 16 22:24:38 2005