RE: Cobb County

Let us not confuse the attempt of man to study the whole of reality by
creating different kinds of knowledge defined in terms of subject
matters, e.g., theology, experimental science, etc., with reality
itself. Therefore, in the order of knowledge, there may be little
connection between theology and science as disciples, but certainly, man
is both a physical and nonphysical being. Scripture would say man is
body, mind, and spirit. I assume the latter to be true and thus find
much of modern psychology as nonsensical owing to their differing
assumption of the nature of man.

Moorad

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To: Edward Hassertt; asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: Cobb County

If you are of the reformed persuasion, you believe in
man's Total Depravity. Man has a mind that is unable to
see spiritual truth, and no one is able to come to Christ
unless God open's their eyes to the Gospel.

But, that does not mean that man cannot reason, and make
observations, and use logic and mathematics to understand
how things are. Man's depravity has nothing to do with
science.

Many of the YEC'ers, want to make all scientists evil
because they do science without a religious bias. But
religion is religion, and science is science, they are
different disciplines. They cannot be mixed.

So science needs to be interpreted without any reliance on
the Bible. It is science, not religion.

The question is, if the answers from science, and
spiritual truths from the Bible conflict, whose authority
do you default to?

I do not see it as putting science over the Bible, if
something that is clear in the scientific realm, like the
age of the universe for example, helps us to understand
Biblical passages that are less clear, like Genesis 1 and
2, then I see that as a good thing, science is increasing
our knowledge and helping us to understand the point of
Genesis.

If you use a clearer passage in the New Testament to help
interpret a less clear passage in the Old, or a passage in
Colossions to help interpret a passage in Romans, does
that mean that you are putting one in authority over the
other? No. It means you are using the clear to interpret
the unclear.

Good scientists, and hopefully most Christian scientists,
would claim that there is a limit to the knowledge that
one can attain through scientific endeavors. But, that
does not mean that truth elucidated through scientific
methods, cannot help us to understand scripture.

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:38:54 -0800
  Edward Hassertt <ehassertt@mac.com> wrote:
>Dick Fischer wrote:
>
>> Moorad wrote:
>>
>> >Perhaps nature should be studied in the light of
>>Scripture.
>>
>> Clearly, this has been what has gotten us into trouble.
>> Nature needs
>> to stand on its own two feet unimpeded by what we think
>>the Scriptures
>> say.
>
>Well at least after a few weeks of asking questions I get
>what I was asking for, a statement of where the loyalty
>of scientists on this list lies. If nature must stand on
>its own without scripture, we have a functional atheism
>that places science above scripture. Nothing can stand
>on its own two feet apart from scripture for the
>Christian since God's revelation is two-fold, the general
>which leads to many erred results according to scripture
>(nature), and the specific which is God's very word to
>man (scripture). Scripture teaches us what nature says
>about God, not the other way around.
>
>> Otherwise you open it all up to how we interpret
>>Scripture. And no
>> one interprets the same. Can we impose on nature six
>>24-hour days of
>> creation because God says so?
>
>So we can impose a evolutionary system on nature because
>man says so? So you admit, man has authority over GOd
>and man's view can be imposed on nature, while God's
>revelation cannot! Thank you for belong so clear, at
>least my presupposition has been proven correct, that
>scientists on this list, for the most part, hold much
>more loyalty to scripture, than to God's word. CLear
>evidence of this is in your statement that we cannot
>allow scripture to be imposed on nature, but we can allow
>science to be imposed on scripture.
>
>> What you would get is a blood bath.
>>
>> Dick Fischer - Genesis Proclaimed Association
>> Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History
>> www.genesisproclaimed.org
>> <http://www.genesisproclaimed.org/>
>
>
>
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>states, nor between classes, nor between political
>parties either, but right through every human heart -
> Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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>Edward J. Hassertt
>Reason By Faith
>Auburn, Washington
>
>http://www.reasonbyfaith.org
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Received on Wed Jan 19 15:15:16 2005