RE: tsunami impact on animals

   Jack:
  I am assuming that death from natural causes, including predation, of
sub-human creation is not evil.

  Don P:
  I agree.

  Jack:
  I am also assuming that animals cannot suffer, because I would consider
suffering, even of animals evil.

  Don P:
  Suffering to me is a condition which is relative to oneself. An atom may
be destroyed to become something else. Changed but no gone.

  Jack:
  Clearly, there was death to sub-human creation before the fall of man.
Of course this is speculation, but if man had not fallen, wouldnt it have
been such that these natural events would have ocurred without causing death
or suffering to man?

  Don P:
  I agree to your statement. As for the question, I believe that regardless
of the fall, humans died (physically). IMHO, man's death from the fall is
not physical, but spiritual.

  Jack:
  If we still had a relationship with God, would we be better stewards of
the Earth, and refrain from building our cities on coastlines, and would be
aware of such destructive things before they happened?

  Don P:
  Better stewards, yes. As for cities, etc, take a look at older cultures.
Or even the more recent cultures of North American Indians. Most of which
were more in tune with nature and lived simple lives. Disasters still
happened but often they knew when something was coming.

  From this world one cannot take. One can only receive, and receives only
that which is given unto the world.
  Take care of the world and it will take care of us. Take care of our
fellow man and they will take care of us. Love others and we shall be
loved.

  Ok I'm off the pulpit now.

  Don P
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Don Perrett
    To: 'Charles Carrigan'
    Cc: ASA Discussions (E-mail)
    Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 5:26 AM
    Subject: RE: tsunami impact on animals

    Charles,
    It depends on what one considers perfect. I see it as perfect as it is.
Do you believe that the world would be what it is if the force of gravity
were different? If even one of the natural laws were different, then so
would the entire universe. We're not talking a perfect circle or square,
like dark ages. We're talking about each an every chaotic element working
in "perfect" harmony with each other to create a set of conditions "perfect"
for our survival.

    Don P
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Charles Carrigan [mailto:CCarriga@olivet.edu]
      Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:36
      To: donperrett@genesisproclaimed.org
      Subject: RE: tsunami impact on animals

      Don,

      What reason is there to believe that the creation was created perfect,
and beyond that it still is?

      Regards,
      Charles

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>>> "Don Perrett" <donperrett@genesisproclaimed.org> 1/8/2005 10:49:50
PM >>>
      If one believes that the universe was created perfect, and that it
still is (regardless of man's fall), then one must also submit that all
natural acts regardless of the level of destruction and death are good from
God's perspective.

      Don P
Received on Thu Jan 13 01:00:33 2005