Re: tsunami impact on animals

Good and perfect are not the same. God wanted us to choose Him over our own wills from the very beginning. How much different would Adam, Eve, and all of creation been if they had chosen God instead of the tree? How much different if they had asked God what to do instead of eating the fruit?
 
We are being made perfect in our faith by turning to God, trusting Him, and following after Him.
 
Sheila
 

jack syme <drsyme@cablespeed.com> wrote:
I guess there are those on the list who want to see the creation, created by an omipotent being who declared it "good" as being somewhat less than perfect. I guess their standards are higher than God's. ;)
 
And I happen to agree with your 'fine tuning' argument, that Creation is perfect, it seems like it could be no other way. And that includes earthquakes, volcanoes, diseases,etc. But of course some of that is just speculation.
 
However, even if all of these things are part of a perfect creation, there still is a problem of human suffering that ocurrs as a result of these morally neutral acts of nature, and why would an omnipotent, omniscient God, who is Good (in the moral sense) allow it to ocurr.
 
There are some assumptions in my comments that others may not accept and might be worth discussing somewhat. I am assuming that death from natural causes, including predation, of sub-human creation is not evil. I am also assuming that animals cannot suffer, because I would consider suffering, even of animals evil. Clearly, there was death to sub-human creation before the fall of man. Of course this is speculation, but if man had not fallen, wouldnt it have been such that these natural events would have ocurred without causing death or suffering to man? If we still had a relationship with God, would we be better stewards of the Earth, and refrain from building our cities on coastlines, and would be aware of such destructive things before they happened?
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Perrett
To: 'Charles Carrigan'
Cc: ASA Discussions (E-mail)
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 5:26 AM
Subject: RE: tsunami impact on animals

Charles,
It depends on what one considers perfect. I see it as perfect as it is. Do you believe that the world would be what it is if the force of gravity were different? If even one of the natural laws were different, then so would the entire universe. We're not talking a perfect circle or square, like dark ages. We're talking about each an every chaotic element working in "perfect" harmony with each other to create a set of conditions "perfect" for our survival.
 
Don P
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Carrigan [mailto:CCarriga@olivet.edu]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:36
To: donperrett@genesisproclaimed.org
Subject: RE: tsunami impact on animals

Don,
 
What reason is there to believe that the creation was created perfect, and beyond that it still is?
 
Regards,
Charles
 
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>>> "Don Perrett" <donperrett@genesisproclaimed.org> 1/8/2005 10:49:50 PM >>>
If one believes that the universe was created perfect, and that it still is (regardless of man's fall), then one must also submit that all natural acts regardless of the level of destruction and death are good from God's perspective.
 
Don P

Sheila McGinty Wilson
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Received on Tue Jan 11 08:55:12 2005